[00:00:00] Latest and Greatest in Justine Stenger’s World Regarding Health and Wellness: Outdoor Health Practices and Blue Light-Free Devices for Optimal Wellness

[00:02:48] Discovering the Importance of Cellular Membranes in Cancer and Chronic Condition Healing

[00:05:39] Introduction to Cell Membrane Medicine and the Power of Phospholipids in Chronic Disease

[00:07:13] Restoring Cellular and Mitochondrial Health: Insights into Healing Chronic Diseases

[00:09:30] Understanding the Role of Phospholipids and Mitochondrial Function in Cellular Health and Disease

[00:22:49] Conditional Essentiality of Phospholipids and the Impact of Modern Diets on Cellular Health

[00:26:22] Managing Toxic Assaults and EMF Damage: The Importance of Lipid Replacement and Cellular Health

[00:32:21] Impact of Stress, Over-Exercising, and Environmental Triggers on Mitochondrial Health

[00:35:37] Addressing Mitochondrial Dysfunction and Cellular Detoxification with Phosphatidylcholine

[00:37:21] Restoring Cellular Integrity: Avoiding Detox Push and Emphasizing Local, Seasonal Diets

[00:40:02] Optimizing Dosing for Phospholipid Therapy: High Doses for Mitochondrial Restoration

[00:42:08] Comprehensive Health Benefits of Phosphatidylcholine: From Cardiovascular to Neurodegenerative Support

[00:44:33] Supporting Blood-Brain Barrier Repair with Phosphatidylcholine and Sodium Butyrate

[00:46:05] Understanding the Balance of Omega-6 and Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Optimal Cellular Health

[00:54:36] Differentiating Toxic Industrial Seed Oils from Functional, Healing Omega-6 Sources

[00:55:25] Maintaining Balance and Harmony in Essential Fatty Acid Intake with BodyBio Balance Oil

[00:56:34] The Power of Butyrate: Enhancing Cell Communication and Epigenetic Protection

[00:59:00] Comprehensive Health Benefits of Butyrate: Blood Sugar, Gut Health, and Antifungal Properties

[01:00:35] Dosing Sodium Butyrate: Benefits for Mast Cell Stabilization and Cautions for Sensitive Microbiomes

[01:02:05] The Multifaceted Benefits of TUDCA: From Neuroprotection to Fat Digestion and Detoxification

[01:04:10] Restoring Mitochondrial Function: The Role of Electron Balance and Sunlight Exposure

[01:05:50] The Importance of Light and Darkness Cycles for Optimal Cellular and Mitochondrial Health

[01:09:08] Enhancing Mitochondrial Health with Infrared Light, Cold Exposure, and Key Nutrients

[01:11:20] Case Study: Phosphatidylcholine’s Role in Detoxification and Comprehensive Cellular Health

[01:14:57] Phosphatidylcholine and Balance Oil: Essential Nutrients for Long-Term Cellular Support

[01:16:30] IV vs. Oral Phosphatidylcholine: Best Practices for Detoxification and Health Conditions

[01:18:07] Grounding Sheets and Clean Grounding: Potential Risks and Safe Practices

[01:21:10] Best Practices for Taking Phosphatidylcholine and Balance Oil: Always with Food

[01:21:27] Flax Oil, Krill Oil, and Seafood: Balancing Omega-3 and Omega-6 for Optimal Health

[01:23:04] Why Algae Oil May Not Be an Ideal Source of Omega-3s: Stability and Bioavailability Issues

[01:24:09] Determining Balance Oil Dosage and Clarifying Omega-6 to Omega-3 Ratios

[01:27:17] Phospholipids for Children and Mammals: Benefits and Accessing the Kennedy Krieger Fatty Acid Test

[01:28:53] Debunking the ‘Fatty 15’ Myth: Understanding Essential Fatty Acids

[01:30:27] Choosing Clean, Nutritious Seafood: Wild-Caught vs. Farmed Fish Considerations

[01:32:12] Sources of Essential Fatty Acids in Balance Oil: Safflower and Flax

[01:32:30] TUDCA Availability in the UK: Who to Contact for More Information

[01:33:00] Natural Moonlight vs. Artificial Light: Connecting with the Natural World for Health

[01:33:55] The Benefits of Sunlight Exposure: Starting Your Day with Healing Light Frequencies

[01:36:23] Red Light Therapy: A Powerful Tool for Healing in a Blue Light-Toxic World

[01:36:57] Balancing Glutathione Use and Research Conflicts: Supporting Redox Potential in Cancer Care

[01:40:58] Navigating Nutritional Challenges for Vegans: Incorporating Minimal Animal Products for Essential Nutrients

[01:42:42] Phosphatidylcholine vs. Choline: Addressing Concerns About Prostate Cancer and Mitochondrial Health

[01:44:54] Impact of Genetic SNPs on Phosphatidylcholine Synthesis and Mitochondrial Function

[01:45:26] EMF Mitigation: Distance First, but Exploring Additional Tools Like the Cosmic Tower

[01:47:00] Exploring EMF Protection: Dr. Andrew Palos, Biophotons, and Faraday Cages for Devices

[01:48:48] Binders vs. Phosphatidylcholine: Supporting Cell Membranes Before Detoxification

[01:49:33] The Role of Coconut Oil: Understanding Its Place Among Fats and Fatty Acids

[01:50:41] Liquid vs. Capsules for Phosphatidylcholine

[00:00:00] Latest and Greatest in Justine Stenger’s World Regarding Health and Wellness: Outdoor Health Practices and Blue Light-Free Devices for Optimal Wellness

Ryan Sternagel: Justine, the traditional first question for you as folks are logging on: you’re not allowed to talk about cellular membranes, phospholipids, or anything like that. What are you doing to stay healthy these days? What’s the newest, latest, and greatest thing you’ve worked into your own personal routine, or rabbit hole you’ve been going down that you’re fascinated with? Or what’s new in your world of preventing disease/ living your best and being your best self?

Justine Stenger: I’m glad you mentioned I can’t talk about phospholipids or fatty acids. Nothing’s new, but I do a lot of things to support my mitochondrial functioning. Now that it’s summer, I’m outside, getting my body on the ground in the sunshine as much as possible.

Ryan Sternagel: It’s funny, we live in the woods. I work out of the house mostly, except when I’m in here because we don’t have internet at the house. I have to rent an office for the one or two times I’m live-streaming a week. I’ve been telling myself ever since we moved in that someday I’ll build a nice pergola with ivy and shade to sit outside while I work. Then I realized we have the trees and the woods as well. I got myself a folding standup desk, brought it out there, set up shop in the woods the other day, and got my feet on the ground and in the sun.

Justine Stenger: You’ll need to look into daylight computers; I purchased one. It’s basically like a piece of paper. You can see your screen perfectly outside in the sunshine. It’s amazing.

Ryan Sternagel: Stop, Justine.

Justine Stenger: I’m serious. There’s no blue light. They’re blue light-free computers.

Ryan Sternagel: Because I’ve still been wearing my special glasses out there, looking at the screen. But wait, what is it again?

Justine Stenger: Daylight computers. I’m blanking on the engineer’s name, but I can send you the handle on Instagram if you want to share it with your community. It’s such an amazing invention. I think anyone who can support him and his company should. Their devices are great for kids to support circadian biology—there’s no blue light.

Ryan Sternagel: Thank you for giving me the next thing I have to purchase.

Justine Stenger: (laughs)

[00:02:48] Discovering the Importance of Cellular Membranes in Cancer and Chronic Condition Healing

Ryan Sternagel: Justine, before we dive into your presentation… I’ve been a fan of you guys for a while. When Ryder, my first son, was diagnosed with stage four cancer, I quickly realized that it’s not about finding ten magic anti-cancer herbs to reverse the cancer, you’ve got to figure out everything—cancer, chronic conditions in general. You’ve got to figure out infections, detoxification, mitochondrial function, and cellular wellness. I figured that out pretty early on.

I was all into different things, mainly focusing on fatty acids and so on, but also things that would help the cellular membranes. I saw that as a side bonus of liposomal products. Yes, we were getting the enhanced delivery of vitamin C or curcumin or whatever, but also, it seemed like it was going to be pretty good for his cells in general.

Everyone knows the story—he’s great now—but my other son had high-grade eczema. That was a thing in and of itself, and the same healing journey. We were working with a completely different doctor outside of our cancer wheelhouse for that, and she prescribed him PC from BodyBio. That’s when I started thinking about it, looking into it, and then I was instantly mad at myself for not finding you guys sooner. I realized you’d been around all that time when we were going through cancer, and I was focused on cell membranes and all that. Now it’s worked into the family’s regular wellness routine for various reasons. You’ve got other products as well, but I know it all started with…

Justine Stenger: It’s all cell membranes. PC is the gold star product for sure.

Ryan Sternagel: That’s Ryan’s rambling introduction to what we’re doing here today. It’s about you, Justine. I know you’ve got a nice actual presentation for us. Anything you want to say about yourself?

[00:05:39] Introduction to Cell Membrane Medicine and the Power of Phospholipids in Chronic Disease

Justine Stenger: I specialize in cell membrane medicine. I have worked with Dr. Bruce Hoffman for over 10 years, supporting his patients nutritionally through a cell membrane medicine approach. We use BodyBio products, which is the whole reason I got into the field of phospholipids and fatty acids. I’m obsessed with the cell. The more I learn about mitochondria and the role they play in chronic disease, the more I want to be an evangelist for lipids because of the potential they have in improving redox potential, which is ultimately everything.

Ryan Sternagel: You met Darlene at Community Natural Foods?

Justine Stenger: I wouldn’t have met her there; that was probably—I don’t know—how many years ago.

Ryan Sternagel: I met you at Community Natural Foods.

Ryan Sternagel: Alright, that is awesome. It’s a story that needs to be told widely. I’m glad you’re out there blaring the trumpet. Let’s get to it. What have you got?

[00:07:13] Restoring Cellular and Mitochondrial Health: Insights into Healing Chronic Diseases

Justine Stenger: Today, I’m going to focus on how we can restore cellular health and specifically support mitochondrial restoration. When we look at basically all the diseases we see today (between 95 and 99% of them) according to Dr. Doug Wallace’s work, we see today are of mitochondrial origin.  He is a lead researcher in mitochondrial research.

When we look at support, whether it’s cancer or any chronic disease process, it all comes back to the mitochondria. When we know the inputs that are required to help restore the health cycle and mitochondrial functioning, we can empower ourselves with the ability to understand what’s needed and have optimism about healing and overall health.

I feel honored to be able to present for BodyBio today because their products are unbelievable. They have changed my entire perspective on the human body and its potential to heal when we give it what it needs to heal. Just as a disclaimer, none of this is medical advice.

Ryan Sternagel: You reminded me of some housekeeping I forgot. Please don’t take anything you hear today as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. I’m not a doctor. I’m pretty sure Justine is not a doctor. Just hanging out, and sharing information.

And yes, there will be a replay. The link you used to sign up for this will magically become the replay link after we finish, with some processing time, and we’ll send emails about it as well.

[00:09:30] Understanding the Role of Phospholipids and Mitochondrial Function in Cellular Health and Disease

Justine Stenger: I’m going to go over three parts in this presentation. Part one is BodyBio’s history. We’re going to talk about how we can restore cellular health. Part three is about enhancing cellular communication, but two and three go hand in hand.

BodyBio has been around since 1998, and it was started by Jess Kane’s grandfather. Their whole mission was to help people understand the significance of the cell membrane. They did such a beautiful job of that. I was mentored by Dr. Kane or Ed Kane’s partner/wife—for years and learned so much about phospholipids and their potential to support the restoration of our health.

When we look at the roadmap to cellular health, we must make sure we get into a healthy environment. I always say the defect is almost never in the individual—the defect is in the environment. Again, that goes back to Dr. Doug Wallace’s work in mitochondrial research, where we understand now that the mitochondria are epigenetically controlling the way our nuclear DNA is transcribed.

One of the characteristics of mitochondria is that they’re always surveying the environment for threats. They act as our sixth sense. As they’re surveying the environment for these threats, if we’re not in an environment conducive to health or to keeping the health cycle going, then the mitochondria go into what Dr. Robert Naviaux’s research calls the “cell danger response.” When the mitochondria go into a cell danger response, they become metabolically inactive. If we can’t restore the health cycle, it’s going to end in cell death.

When this occurs, a lot goes sideways in the cell. The cell resorts to glycolysis versus oxidative phosphorylation, and we know that’s 20 times less energy-efficient than cellular respiration. The whole goal is to make sure we are providing the body with all the signals required to make it feel safe. That encompasses a lot, which I’ll go over here, but that’s number one. Phase one doesn’t mean eliminating toxins from a detoxification standpoint, it’s eliminating every threat that’s part of the allostatic load on the body that could lead the mitochondria to think there’s danger.

Then we want to restore cellular integrity. This is where we want to give the body the inputs required to heal. This is where phospholipids and essential fatty acids come into play. When we have issues on a cellular level, where the mitochondria are in a cell danger response, we have poor redox potential and high levels of reactive oxygen species that damage the cell membrane. We end up with compromised cell membranes.

One thing that happens on a cellular level is when there’s poor redox potential, these unpaired electrons try to steal electrons from the cell membrane to stabilize themselves. We end up in this vicious cycle of chaos, continuing to damage the cell membrane. Without putting those inputs back into the body to improve reserve capacity—giving the body exactly what it needs to restore membrane integrity, the structure, and the function of the membrane—the cell isn’t able to restore health.

That’s phase two, and this is where the BodyBio phospholipid complex and the essential fatty acid blend shine.

Then we can enhance cellular communication, and repairing mitochondria goes hand in hand with restoring cellular integrity; It’s all included in the big picture.

Your body has 70 trillion cells—or 100 trillion, depending on who you read. We have 200 different cell types and 500 trillion mitochondria. Every single one of those cells, every single organelle within the cell, has biological membranes that largely determine their health. When we look at the cell membrane specifically, this is the brain of the cell. Bruce Lipton’s work showed this so beautifully, where we used to believe the nucleus was the control center of the cell.

We still have this obsession with studying genetics and how genes can be related to diseases manifesting. But we now know that epigenetically, if we can provide a safe environment for the mitochondria and optimize mitochondrial functioning, we can optimize our nuclear DNA and the way our genes transcribe. Everything is on this membrane—our proteins, peptides, ion channels, receptors. When we have a breakdown of this biological membrane, things go sideways in the cell very fast.

Bruce Lipton’s work took the nucleus out of a cell, maintaining the health of the membrane, and the cell would stay alive for weeks after. It was a testimony to how the membrane is the brain of the cell. Life is on this membrane.

Ryan Sternagel: Amazingly, he did that, which is crazy enough on its own, but then also did all his work on emotions affecting biology. Pretty crazy that one guy did all that.

Justine Stenger: Now we know, through so many other researchers, that thoughts and emotions directly impact the structure of the water in our cells. Fascinating stuff. Phospholipids are conditionally essential nutrients. They are made in the human body. We have four main phospholipids—I showed the picture of the cell membrane here. I’ll flip back here.

We have two biological membranes: an outer membrane and an inner membrane. The outer membrane is primarily comprised of phosphatidylcholine, and phosphatidylcholine is the most abundant phospholipid in the entire body. The inner membrane is rich in phosphatidylethanolamine, phosphatidylinositol, and phosphatidylserine. All of these phospholipids are important, but because of the significance of phosphatidylcholine being the main phospholipid on the outer membrane, and the importance of phosphatidylethanolamine due to its role on a mitochondrial level, these two phospholipids are the most studied. Of course, serine and inositol are important as well.

The BodyBio PC provides all four of these phospholipids. It’s in liposomal form and is the exact molecule. I want to make something very clear to everyone because there’s so much deception out there about phosphatidylcholine. You can label choline products as phosphatidylcholine, but it’s a completely different molecule. Even in scientific literature, Ryan, they’ll use choline and call it phosphatidylcholine. There’s a lot of confusion.

Choline is the top portion—it’s the polar head group of the phosphatidylcholine molecule. Then there’s a phosphate group, it sits on a glycerol backbone, and then it has two fatty acid tails. These two fatty acid tails, or fatty acid chains, are made from the dietary fats and oils we consume. When I talk about the significance of essential fatty acids and Balance Oil, you’ll understand why it’s so important that we get the essential fatty acids in the optimal ratios and amounts.

The BodyBio phospholipid complex is this entire molecule. It bypasses digestion because of its liposomal qualities, getting absorbed in the small intestine into the bloodstream, and into the lymphatic system, and goes directly to support damaged cells. It acts like an oil change for your cells—discarding damaged cells and replacing the damaged aspect of the membrane with fresh, beautiful phospholipids.

This is very different from taking lecithin or triple lecithin, which is also called phosphatidylcholine. When ingested, it gets broken down through the process of digestion into choline and fatty acids, and then we have to synthesize them back together through the de novo synthesis process (also called the CDP-choline pathway). We also make phospholipids through methylation. Most of our methylation goes to making phosphatidylcholine specifically. That’s another profound benefit of using the phospholipid complex like BodyBio’s—because, for every gram of phosphatidylcholine we supplement, it’s a gram that your body doesn’t need to make. Now you’ve freed up space for repair, making it a powerful methylation support.

When it comes to products on the market, BodyBio PC is a standalone product. There’s one other product in Europe that’s pharmaceutical grade that I would say is equivalent to BodyBio PC, but it’s twice as expensive. Outside of that, I’ve never found a phospholipid complex that even comes close to BodyBio PC. It’s a beautiful formula.

I mentioned that phosphatidylcholine is the main phospholipid in our body. We have 200 different cell types, and depending on each cell type, it determines the concentration of phosphatidylcholine within the membrane. When we look at gut epithelial cells, 90% of the outer membrane is phosphatidylcholine—very high concentrations of PC. Liver cell membranes also have very high concentrations of PC, we’re looking at about 70% of the liver cell membrane being comprised of phosphatidylcholine (PC). Then we have our immune cells and other cells in the body, which on average have about 50% of the outer cell membrane comprised of phosphatidylcholine.

I also mentioned that we have ethanolamine in the inner cell membrane. Phosphatidylethanolamine gets methylated into phosphatidylcholine. One of the things I see all the time is that so many people are depleted of these phospholipids. They get damaged as soon as we have high levels of reactive oxygen species or oxidative stress in the body. We’re going to have damage to these membranes, and if we’re not constantly providing our body with a supply of these conditionally essential nutrients, our biochemistry can lose reserve capacity very quickly.

If we think about our biochemistry like a bank account, these are your most powerful deposits in that biochemical bank account. We’re building reserve capacity, especially when working with a patient who has chronic disease.

Ryan Sternagel: Just like getting depleted in minerals, you can also get depleted in phospholipids, huh?

Justine Stenger: Exactly. But remember, the ion channels are on the membrane. From my understanding of cell membrane medicine, we often do things backward, even when it comes to diet. If you have mitochondrial dysfunction, it doesn’t matter what you eat. First, we have to restore mitochondrial function—no diet alone is going to fix mitochondria. We need to provide the inputs to restore mitochondrial function, and then, of course, provide the body with other inputs, which is where diet is critical.

Food is information—light information—which is of critical importance when it comes to cellular health. But what I often see is that people have low levels of these phospholipids, and then they’re given methylating agents. They’ll take high doses of B6, B12, and folate, which further deplete phosphatidylethanolamine because it gets methylated into choline. We can run into trouble if we’re not aware of supporting phospholipids and ensuring people aren’t depleted in them.

I also mentioned that phosphatidylinositol and phosphatidylserine are components of the inner cell membrane, but they don’t have as high concentrations within the human body.

[00:22:49] Conditional Essentiality of Phospholipids and the Impact of Modern Diets on Cellular Health

Ryan Sternagel: Justine, am I correct in my thinking that the body—in theory and practice—should be able to make all these different phospholipids on its own? It does make them, taking raw materials like choline from food, omega-6 from various sources, and a bit of omega-3. It needs arachidonic acid for this process, which it can make itself or get from egg yolks and other sources. So, in theory, the body should be able to make all these different phospholipids that become a major component of the cells. However, we live in a super messed-up world, and we get messed up. Then our bodies can’t make these phospholipids as well as they should, which further depletes them, adding fuel to the fire in a bad way. So, it helps to say, “Hey body, I know you’re trying your best to make all the phospholipids you can to repair the cells, but here’s everything you need—you don’t have to work as hard.” Is that right?

Justine Stenger: Yes and no. They are conditionally essential. Let me flip back to this page, so everyone can look at them.

Ryan Sternagel: That “conditionally essential” term—I wanted to ask you what we’re talking about there.

Justine Stenger: That means we can make these in the human body if we’re getting enough ethanolamine, choline, serine, and inositol—these are needed to synthesize phospholipids. Of course, you were exactly right; we also need to ensure we’re getting enough of the essential fatty acids, which are the polyunsaturated fatty acids. Saturated fats from animals are also very important as they provide structure to the cell membrane. But I’m putting a particular focus on essential fatty acids because they are essential nutrients. Without them, we are not able to synthesize phospholipids or adequately support the structure and function of the membrane.

We’re also not able to adequately support cardiolipin, which is part of the phospholipid bilayer within the mitochondria, sitting on the phosphatidylethanolamine membrane. It houses Complex I, Complex III, and Complex IV. Without it, we would be in big trouble when it comes to making energy and producing water in the mitochondria. Cardiolipin is also involved in maintaining the structure and integrity of the mitochondrial membrane.

These phospholipids are conditionally essential, but the problem is so many people today (probably many you’ve worked with) are eating highly processed diets and not consuming many animal products, which is where these come from. This isn’t an ethical or moral conversation, it’s a structure and function conversation when it comes to the cell membrane. That’s one issue we have—a very nutrient-depleted society because of how most people are eating. There’s a lot of confusion out there about diet, and people get led down the wrong path because of inaccurate narratives.

[00:26:22] Managing Toxic Assaults and EMF Damage: The Importance of Lipid Replacement and Cellular Health

Justine Stenger: Then we also have the toxic assault, which is what I was going to talk about next. As we have this increasing allostatic load—life’s downloads, all of these toxins in the environment—electromagnetic frequencies (EMFs) are a perfect example. EMFs directly damage the cell membrane by causing calcium to influx into the cell, triggering the NMDA receptor to release glutamate, and this causes an inflammatory cascade. Anytime there’s poor redox potential, we’re going to have high levels of reactive oxygen species, which damage the membrane.

Ultimately, great redox potential is required to synthesize adequate amounts of these phospholipids, and we also need to ensure we’re getting essential nutrients so the body can synthesize them. But today, Ryan, I can honestly say—and this isn’t in the literature or scientific, just what I’ve seen clinically—that I believe every person, if they want to protect their cellular health and support healthy mitochondria, should be taking BodyBio PC. I think it’s the single most important product anyone could take.

When we think about the role the semi-permeable membrane plays in getting nutrients into the cell and allowing waste to be escorted out, that requires a healthy membrane with a robust amount of phospholipids and healthy fatty acids with optimal fluidity in the fatty acid tails. When you break it down, it all comes down to the cellular level. If we’re giving someone all these supplements, pills, potions, and powders for every symptom that manifests, it comes down to the health of their cell membrane—whether or not those things can even get into the cell. That’s step one: restore the cell first and foremost.

Ryan Sternagel: That’s right. I like to think the bulk of what we feature in these webinars is more at the core level. I’ll leave it to your practitioner to decide which herbs and high levels of vitamins you need; That’s their job. But as far as these basic things to support cellular and energetic wellness, this is a big one, making sure your cell membranes are functioning properly—it doesn’t get more foundational than that, no matter what you’re dealing with or hoping to avoid.

Justine Stenger: We’re inundated with these assaults every single day. EMFs, for example—I always put a lot of attention on electromagnetic frequencies because we’ve normalized them. People are tethered to their cell phones, living in Wi-Fi zones, using Bluetooth, and smart devices, and they have smart homes. You are putting yourself in a microwave, and a microwave completely dehydrates the cell and causes mitochondrial dysfunction. There are so many reasons why these frequencies are harmful to human health, and that’s a big one because we can’t get away from them.

People like you, Ryan, and I are fortunate to be out of the city, where we can create distance from these things. Newton’s inverse square law is a beautiful thing—we can create distance and a sanctuary in our homes. But the minute you go outside your living quarters, you’re assaulted by these frequencies.

And then we have so many other problems. We live in a highly contaminated toxic world. We have a food system that’s depleted and toxic. I got a message on Instagram today where someone reprimanded me for recommending high-quality seafood because it’s toxic. I said, “Every single food is toxic. Find me a food on this planet that doesn’t contain a toxin.” So what are we going to do? We want to provide our bodies with the most nutrient-dense foods that contain the nutrients needed to help remove toxins.

In fish, for example, we have high levels of selenium, iodine, and other synergistic nutrients that help the body remove some of those toxins while providing incredible nutrients that offer information. Fish is also a great source of electrons, which is another huge benefit.

This is why I believe more and more that we need to support the body with lipid replacement therapy so that we don’t run our biochemistry dry, ensuring we have reserve capacity. Like a bank account—if we only take withdrawals and never make deposits, we’d end up bankrupt. The same thing happens with our biochemistry, but most people don’t look at the human body that way. We abuse our bodies, expose ourselves to all kinds of things that contribute to ill health, and don’t provide the inputs needed to stay healthy or restore health.

It’s about looking at your body that way: how can I build my biochemical bank account and give my body the signals it needs to restore health? This becomes more and more important as we age.

[00:32:21] Impact of Stress, Over-Exercising, and Environmental Triggers on Mitochondrial Health

Justine Stenger: Outside of toxins, there are lots of other things that trigger cellular damage. Psychological stress is a big one, so it’s important to have healthy coping mechanisms around stress. And if you’re in an environment where you can’t avoid stress, you need to remove yourself from that environment; That’s a big one.

Over-exercising is a big one too. We also have this strange mentality about exercise. My opinion is it’s strange because we’re sedentary all day and then told to go to the gym for an hour to work out. People are doing intense CrossFit exercises, HIIT training, or running, and then they’re sedentary the rest of the day. That’s a stress on the body. We should be moving our bodies all the time, all day long.

I can see, Ryan, that you’re standing right now—those little movements throughout the day are important. I read a study a couple of weeks ago on “exercise snacks,” speaking specifically about cancer. These “exercise snacks” are so supportive for cancer because we are promoting healthy immune modulation by doing two minutes of jumping jacks, a minute of squats, or whatever it is. We want to move, but we don’t want to be over-exercising.

Ryan Sternagel: That’s big. At my home office, I’m standing on a little balance board. At some point, I’ll get a full-blown treadmill setup and be one of the cool guys, but for now, I rock back and forth on the balance board. Every 45, 50, or 55 minutes, I’ll take a break from staring at the screen and walk over to the vibration plate or do something quick, then get back to work.

Justine Stenger: Movement is key. Then, of course, there’s the other side of the equation: lack of exercise, pharmaceutical drugs, and other factors contribute to the mitochondria perceiving that the allostatic load is too much to maintain homeostasis, and then they’re going to enter that cell danger response. All these different factors will activate peroxynitrite, which damages the mitochondrial membrane, causes protein and lipid oxidation, deactivates enzymes, and ultimately leads to cell death.

When this happens, and our mitochondria go into the cell danger response, it epigenetically changes the way our DNA transcribes. This is one of my favorite slides because it shows what I call “life’s downloads”—all the things we’re exposed to every day. Some we can control, some we can’t. All of these triggers weigh down the body, throw it out of homeostasis, and ultimately damage our mitochondria.

[00:35:37] Addressing Mitochondrial Dysfunction and Cellular Detoxification with Phosphatidylcholine

Justine Stenger: When we have these epigenetic insults, they directly alter the cell membrane. I’ve probably seen a thousand tests by now. We run this test out of Germany, which I’ll show you an example of at the end of the presentation. It shows everything happening on a mitochondrial level. I think it’s the best way to showcase Dr. Robert Naviaux’s work. There’s an ATP profile, a cardiolipin profile, cell-free DNA, and DNA adducts. We get to see all of this happening on a mitochondrial level.

Every person that comes into the clinic has such severe mitochondrial dysfunction. Ryan, that’s why I said earlier that I don’t think there’s anyone without some level of mitochondrial dysfunction. Of course, I’m seeing a specific demographic of patients looking for an integrative doctor who knows how to support them from the most foundational level up. But it’s also a testimony to how many people are walking around with mitochondrial dysfunction, environmental toxins attached to their DNA, and cells riddled with toxins.

One of the amazing benefits of phosphatidylcholine (PC) is that it’s the most powerful detoxification agent. It works its way into the cell and removes intracellular toxins. We can do that while also building reserve capacity and supporting patients who are biochemically depleted; That’s one of the incredible qualities of PC.

[00:37:21] Restoring Cellular Integrity: Avoiding Detox Push and Emphasizing Local, Seasonal Diets

Justine Stenger: I want to go back to the slide where I mentioned eliminating toxins. I want to stress that this is not about pushing detoxification. That is highly contraindicated when a patient is in the cell danger response. The cell is not metabolically active, and we do not want to give any pills, potions, or powders when someone is in that state. We need to restore the cell first, and we can use lipids as one method to do so.

We also want to ensure that people are eating a local, seasonal, circadian-aligned diet; This is important for so many reasons. People should be off all processed food. I’m hardcore about this—processed food is completely devoid of electrons and has a high pH. One marker we can look at to indicate ill health in an individual is lipid peroxidation, which gives us an idea of redox potential. We can also look at pH. We want to make sure the body has a robust negative charge, and we get those electrons from whole, real food grown on the earth. Eating local and seasonal is key.

I mentioned earlier that food is photosynthesis—it’s light information. When we’re eating a diet in Calgary, where I am, in the middle of winter, with food grown in Costa Rica—like bananas and blueberries—those are not healthy foods; They are for people who live at that latitude where the food is grown. That’s important.

Also, cleaning up the home is crucial—don’t use anything toxic in the home. Have a building biologist come in to hardwire everything, mitigate EMFs, and reduce exposures. They can help you do everything you can, like keeping your cell phone in a Faraday cage and only turning it on when you need to use it. I always say, for every minute you use your cell phone, get outside and put your bare feet on the ground to discharge that charge and absorb electrons.

Next, we want to restore cellular integrity. This is where BodyBio PC comes into play. It’s an oil change for your cells—giving your body the exact materials it needs to repair damaged parts of the membrane and replace damaged aspects with healthy phospholipids.

[00:40:02] Optimizing Dosing for Phospholipid Therapy: High Doses for Mitochondrial Restoration

Justine Stenger: Regarding BodyBio PC, I mentioned that there are four main phospholipids found in this product. You need to use a much higher dose than the bottle recommends. This gets tricky for consumers because the bottle says to take half a teaspoon. Clinically, of course, I can’t give medical advice or personal dosing recommendations, but we use high doses to support mitochondrial restoration and clear the cells of toxins. Typically, it’s anywhere between two and three tablespoons. You want to support the body with a higher dose for at least six months to a year—that’s usually how long it takes to restore mitochondria. After that, you can come down to a maintenance dose, but in my practice, I find a tablespoon of the BodyBio phospholipid complex to be good long-term support.

Keep that in mind when looking at the bottle’s dosing instructions. That’s also why I recommend the liquid form, Ryan. Because 12 capsules equal one tablespoon, it’s a lot of capsules to take if you’re using the capsule form.

Ryan Sternagel: I appreciate that, especially when you get the big glass bottle. It’s nice to have a big glass bottle, which I always appreciate. As far as supplement prices go, you get quite a bit for what it costs. It’s nice.

Justine Stenger: It’s an amazing investment. I always tell people, that when you get on lipid replacement therapy with phospholipids and fatty acids, hopefully, you’ll be able to get off a lot of other things because you’re optimizing the ability for all the nutrients from whole, real food to get into the cell and convert those electrons into energy.

[00:42:08] Comprehensive Health Benefits of Phosphatidylcholine: From Cardiovascular to Neurodegenerative Support

Justine Stenger: There are so many benefits to PC, and it provides head-to-toe support; You’re supporting the structure and function of every one of your 70 trillion cells. There are also many studies on specific disease processes and how we can use PC to support them.

There’s a lot of research in the field of cardiovascular disease. I spoke to a practitioner today who shared that her father-in-law was going to need bypass surgery. She put him on a high dose of the phospholipid complex and started implementing circadian biology principles and changing his diet. Within six months, when he went back for his CT scan, they said he no longer needed the surgery. PC can help actively remove plaque from the arteries. There’s a company that started this research, which does IV PC for this reason, called Plaquex. But we can get similar results using oral phospholipids, which is very exciting.

It’s your number one support for liver function. I mentioned that 70% of the liver cell membranes are comprised of phosphatidylcholine—it’s powerful support for the liver. It’s also highly supportive of the brain. When we look at the literature on the brain, we see a direct correlation between low levels of phospholipids and neurodegenerative diseases. We can protect the brain with these antioxidants and anti-inflammatory molecules. They protect our fatty, polyunsaturated fatty acids when we have adequate amounts of phospholipids in the membrane. You’re going to see head-to-toe benefits with PC.

There’s also a lot of research around stage three kidney disease and using phospholipids to support that. A wonderful doctor by the name of Dr. Garth Nicolson has studied lipid replacement therapy extensively. Ironically, he’s not even using PC, he’s using a choline supplement, but there are still so many benefits when it comes to supporting symptoms that manifest in individuals.

[00:44:33] Supporting Blood-Brain Barrier Repair with Phosphatidylcholine and Sodium Butyrate

Ryan Sternagel: This might be a good time to break the “hold all questions until the end” rule. Speaking of the brain, one of the questions that came through is: “Can you speak to the health and repair of the blood-brain barrier? Through what means can that happen, and how long would meaningful changes most likely take?” Any thoughts on blood-brain barrier repair and improvements to the brain?

Justine Stenger: Those cells are like any other cells—they’re rich in phospholipids too, so PC will definitely support that. There’s direct research showing that sodium butyrate can help support the integrity of the blood-brain barrier. Butyrate is also the most researched molecule for improving pathogenic intestinal permeability, or what people refer to as “leaky gut,” because it has the ability to improve tight junction integrity. The research shows the same thing for the blood-brain barrier, helping to support its integrity. However, we wouldn’t want to use sodium butyrate without also using phospholipids—PC always comes first because we want to make sure we’re providing the body with those molecules to support healthy structure and function.

[00:46:05] Understanding the Balance of Omega-6 and Omega-3 Fatty Acids for Optimal Cellular Health

Justine Stenger: I love this photo because it perfectly illustrates what makes BodyBio PC so different. You can see the beautiful liposomal formula. This is what a proper liposome looks like. On the other hand, what’s called “triple lecithin” is labeled as liposomal phosphatidylcholine, but it’s not actually a liposome.

When it comes to essential fatty acids which I’ve talked about quite a bit, it’s important to understand that balance is key. There are so many people who demonize linoleic acid or omega-6, but I want to stress that omega-6 is one of the most important fatty acids in the entire body.

Ryan Sternagel: You’re preaching to the choir—at least to this guy in front of you and hopefully to most of our audience now, too. We did a big webinar on omega-6 a while back because it’s crazy how much confusion there is. Some of the most healthy things get labeled unhealthy, and vice versa. I don’t know if that confusion is deliberate, but it seems like one of those things that somehow got demonized, even though omega-6 is what your cells need to be healthy.

Justine Stenger: I do think it’s important for people to understand the huge difference between industrial seed oils and omega-6.

Ryan Sternagel: Maybe the pendulum swung too far. People think, “Oh my gosh, this omega-6 stuff is bad,” but they’re not differentiating between the good and the bad.

Justine Stenger: I do think that’s what happened. So many things in this industry get repeated without people looking into the validity of what they’re saying, they just regurgitate information. When it comes to industrial seed oils, you want to avoid those at all costs. I spoke about highly processed food being dead food—no electrons, no bio-photons—this is acidic, dead food. We do not want to consume it;  These foods are going to contain industrial seed oils. An oil goes from being medicine to poison with just one small step. It’s crucial to only consume functional forms of fatty acids.

It’s so interesting to observe this whole field, knowing that it’s my area of expertise. The conversation about linoleic acid being inflammatory and how easily it oxidizes is misunderstood. Then, you have people taking fistfuls of fish oil, and DHA has six double carbon bonds, making it highly susceptible to oxidation. People are taking fish oil in a triglyceride form, with no phospholipids to protect it from oxidation, believing it’s a healthy food. It’s a misunderstanding of fatty acids, the roles they play in the body, and the importance of omega-6.

Of course, we want balance and harmony. We don’t want to be consuming omega-6 without seafood—that would throw off the balance; We want to support both sides. Ideally, we want a four-to-one ratio of omega-6 to omega-3. That’s the beauty of BodyBio Balance Oil—it provides both essential parent oils: linoleic acid and alpha-linolenic acid, in the optimal four-to-one ratio. These fatty acids are conditionally essential.

You wouldn’t want to take the Balance Oil without supporting your body with high-quality seafood because we want to support EPA and DHA. The same goes for omega-6. I love evening primrose oil for supporting gamma-linolenic acid. Dihomo-gamma-linolenic acid primarily comes from organ meats, with some found in hemp seeds. Arachidonic acid, as Ryan mentioned earlier, comes from egg yolks. The conversion from these parent oils on the omega-6 and omega-3 sides to their downstream metabolites is very poor. That’s why these become conditionally essential as we age, and if we don’t have the optimal amount of cofactors, enzymatic activity is compromised.

If we only support the omega-3 side, often with toxic oils, what happens is because there’s competition between the delta-6 desaturase and delta-5 desaturase enzymes, the higher we dose omega-3s, the more we suppress omega-6. That’s catastrophic, and it’s hard to watch. I’ve seen so many people take fish oil because they’re told it’s healthy, avoid omega-6s, and completely deplete all their omega-6s. They create too much fluidity in the cell membrane because omega-3s are highly fluid, facilitating what’s called a “leaky” cell membrane (not a scientific term, but it describes what happens with too much fluidity). This displaces linoleic acid from cardiolipin at the mitochondrial level, and people end up demyelinating because linoleic acid and arachidonic acid are the two most important fatty acids for white matter.

It’s very important to understand that one isn’t better than the other. DHA, of course, is incredibly important for our brain, eyes, and heart, but we want to keep these two essential fatty acids in balance and harmony.

Ryan Sternagel: Justine, I was looking at some comments when you started, and I want to make sure I understood. What’s the mechanism? I’ve noticed overdosing on omega-3s isn’t good for various reasons, but how does it tank omega-6? I missed that part.

Justine Stenger: It’s because they compete for the same enzymes: delta-6 desaturase and delta-5 desaturase. If you have high levels of omega-3 intake, you end up suppressing omega-6. The same thing happens if you’re excessively consuming linoleic acid, but I don’t see that clinically. That narrative is out there, though.

Ryan Sternagel: I didn’t realize you could get a red blood cell fatty acid test. Is that an expensive test?

Justine Stenger: No, it’s actually very inexpensive considering the data you get from it. I think it’s around $500 when you factor in the lab and wellness reports.

Ryan Sternagel: Good to know.

Justine Stenger: It’s an important test, for sure. It’s one of my favorites. BodyBio offers that—they’ve partnered with the Kennedy Krieger Lab at Johns Hopkins University. That’s the gold standard for fatty acid testing.

Ryan Sternagel: So, can people order that test through BodyBio without going through a practitioner?

Justine Stenger: You do have to order it through a practitioner—it’s not available to the public.

Ryan Sternagel: Got excited there for a minute!

[00:54:36] Differentiating Toxic Industrial Seed Oils from Functional, Healing Omega-6 Sources

Justine Stenger: Remember, BodyBio Balance Oil has no hexane, no solvents, no bleaches, no deodorizers. Every batch is tested for oxidation and pesticides. This is not in the same category as safflower oil you find in a package, box, or bag at the grocery store or in a restaurant; This is a different animal. I want to stress this over and over again: we have to differentiate between industrial seed oils, which are toxic and should never be consumed, and these functional, healing forms of omega-6 that are so essential for the health of our cells, and specifically, the health of our mitochondria.

[00:55:25] Maintaining Balance and Harmony in Essential Fatty Acid Intake with BodyBio Balance Oil

Justine Stenger: As for suggested use, I’d encourage you to think about fatty acids through a balance and harmony lens. It doesn’t matter how much Balance Oil you consume, you’re not going to overdose on it because these are essential nutrients. However, if you’re drinking a bottle of Balance Oil every day and never eating any fish, then there’s going to be an imbalance between omega-6 and omega-3. Remember to keep things balanced.

I’ve noticed for myself that in the summer when I’m making salads and pestos, I use a lot more Balance Oil because I use it in salad dressings and pestos. But in the winter months, when I’m not eating a lot of plant foods (because none of those plants grow here), I’m not consuming as much oil. It’s cyclical, and you want to pay attention to where you’re getting these essential fatty acids to make sure you’re supporting your cells.

[00:56:34] The Power of Butyrate: Enhancing Cell Communication and Epigenetic Protection

Justine Stenger: Let’s look at things that enhance cell-to-cell communication. BodyBio Butyrate is one of my favorite products, specifically sodium butyrate. I did a presentation on butyrate a couple of years ago, and I read probably 500 studies on it. I was blown away by this short-chain fatty acid and all the roles it plays in the body, from being an anti-inflammatory and antioxidant to improving pathogenic intestinal permeability. It also helps support the blood-brain barrier, can be converted by neurons into beta-hydroxybutyrate for use as a fuel source, and calms down primed or activated microglial cells.

That’s an incredible characteristic of butyrate when we think about these support cells in the brain. When the blood-brain barrier is breached, and things enter the brain that shouldn’t be there, the immune cells get activated. The brain’s immune system is different from the body’s, and it doesn’t have the same methods to calm down an activated immune system. We can use targeted strategies to help calm down primed microglial cells and return them to an even keel state.

There’s lots of research showing that butyrate supports mitochondria by getting converted into acetyl-CoA, which we can use as a fuel source. For this group, I want to highlight that butyrate is a histone deacetylase (HDAC) inhibitor—it epigenetically protects your DNA. That’s a huge deal. Sodium butyrate was originally studied for protection against colorectal cancer, but we now know it’s protective against all forms of cancer. It’s an incredible tool to support treatment and prevention.

Ryan Sternagel: The first time I learned about HDAC inhibitors was when I did a deep dive into bee propolis. Fun fact for you, Justine, if you didn’t already know.

Justine Stenger: I did know that! It also activates BDNF.

Ryan Sternagel: There you go!

Justine Stenger: Amazing whole food from those beautiful bees.

[00:59:00] Comprehensive Health Benefits of Butyrate: Blood Sugar, Gut Health, and Antifungal Properties

Justine Stenger: There are lots of blood sugar benefits, too. All of this is so interconnected with overall health. Butyrate has been shown to improve insulin sensitivity and support healthy blood sugar levels. It also acts as a chaperone, similar to TUDCA, which I’ll get to in a second. Together, they help protect protein folding, which is critical for preventing chronic disease.

Sodium butyrate is also an antifungal, which is great to share with practitioners because of the epidemic of yeast overgrowth. We can use these healthy fatty acids to help with that. Butyrate helps activate pro-resolving mediators like protectins, resolvins, and maresins. Lipoxins, which are made from arachidonic acid on the omega-6 side, are also activated by sodium butyrate. There are so many reasons to use sodium butyrate—it’s especially great for gut health and the gut-brain connection. It’s hands down your most supportive tool for improving pathogenic intestinal permeability, which is well-documented in the literature.

[01:00:35] Dosing Sodium Butyrate: Benefits for Mast Cell Stabilization and Cautions for Sensitive Microbiomes

Justine Stenger: When it comes to dosing for Butyrate, it depends on the person. Some people respond well to two capsules, others to eight. You want to start low and slow to find the right dose. Most of the literature recommends four grams, which is six to eight capsules of sodium butyrate. Keep in mind to start slow. Another characteristic of butyrate I forgot to mention is that it’s also a mast cell stabilizer—one of the most potent. It’s great for people with histamine intolerance or mast cell activation syndrome.

A word of caution: some people with a suboptimal microbiome may experience butyrate getting converted to methane by pathogenic bacteria. If that’s you, you might feel bloated, so it’s important to go low and slow. Sodium butyrate supports a healthy microbiome and the proliferation of commensal bacteria, but taking too much too soon could make you feel distended and uncomfortable.

[01:02:05] The Multifaceted Benefits of TUDCA: From Neuroprotection to Fat Digestion and Detoxification

Justine Stenger: Now onto TUDCA. This is another miracle molecule. TUDCA is a bile salt—tauroursodeoxycholic acid—conjugated to taurine. It’s made in the human body, but when studied, it’s shown to be amazing for the endoplasmic reticulum. It helps protect protein and lipid folding, acts as an antioxidant, and reduces stress on the cell. TUDCA is currently being used in neurology to support the treatment of neurological conditions. It’s a great tool for preventing and supporting the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases.

Many people use TUDCA for fat digestion and utilization. It improves bile flow and helps with the digestion and assimilation of fats and oils. It also prevents the recirculation of toxins in the liver, provides neuroprotective benefits due to its antioxidant properties, and supports gut health.

TUDCA also has a chemical chaperone activity. When we think about aggregated proteins like tau proteins and beta-amyloid plaques, which are misfolded proteins, TUDCA can break those down. We can then use PC to wash away that debris. The combination of PC, Balance Oil, TUDCA, and butyrate is a powerful quartet.

[01:04:10] Restoring Mitochondrial Function: The Role of Electron Balance and Sunlight Exposure

Justine Stenger: Now we’re at stage four, which we’ve talked about throughout the presentation. I want to stress all the inputs that we need to restore mitochondrial function. I always tell people to think about life as a game of collecting electrons—avoiding anything that depletes your electrons. That’s why I talked about EMF mitigation, getting off your cell phone, and hardwiring your devices, so you’re not constantly in a state of depletion. Then, we want to recharge. Sunlight exposure, particularly UV and infrared light, has been shown to promote mitochondrial biogenesis and enhance the oxidative capacity of mitochondria.

We have chromophores on our protein complexes within cellular respiration that absorb these light frequencies. When they absorb the light, they improve electron tunneling, which enhances the efficiency of electrons transferring from protein complex to protein complex. This is the whole reason why red light therapy is beneficial—because your mitochondria are absorbing those light frequencies, improving mitochondrial functioning. This improves inflammation, and reduces wrinkles, pain, and more. Ideally, though, we want to get this from the sun, with red light therapy as an adjunct tool.

[01:05:50] The Importance of Light and Darkness Cycles for Optimal Cellular and Mitochondrial Health

Justine Stenger: Exercise is important. Movement generates piezoelectricity, which allows us to generate our own electrons through mechanical stress on our bones, tendons, and joints. Sleep is also crucial, and this ties into light exposure. We need to coordinate the 100,000 biochemical processes happening in every cell every second by syncing our eyes to the sun. We are beings of light, regulated by light.

If you wake up and look at your cell phone first thing, or turn on artificial lights, you’ve now jumped your biological clock to the middle of the day. I see this as accelerated aging. We’re constantly jumping our biological clocks forward, disrupting everything on a cellular level because light regulates so many processes. Equally important is making sure we have complete darkness after sunset. This isn’t talked about enough, but we need the light and dark cycles. Darkness is as important as sunlight in the morning, so we need to protect our eyes from artificial light after sunset.

Ryan Sternagel: I don’t think it’s talked about enough, either. I hear so much about blue light blockers and avoiding screens after dark, but I don’t hear enough people emphasizing getting outside and looking at the sun first thing in the morning. Thank you for backing me up, Justine! Sometimes I feel like a broken record harping on this stuff, but yes, it really is that important.

Justine Stenger: You’re doing amazing work, Ryan, because nothing can replace that light signal. If you don’t get that signal, everyone’s wasting their time. It sounds extreme, but it’s true. You cannot mitigate the need for light to regulate all cellular processes; No pill, potion, or therapy can replace that. I hear people say, “I use my red light device in the morning,” but your red light device is not the sunrise. You need UVA light to make neurotransmitters and regulate your biological clock—it’s non-negotiable.

Ryan Sternagel: I agree. Biohackers were looking at devices first thing in the morning, thinking they were getting extra light before the sun came up; That’s just not right!

[01:09:08] Enhancing Mitochondrial Health with Infrared Light, Cold Exposure, and Key Nutrients

Justine Stenger: Then, we can use infrared sauna therapy—infrared light frequencies are healing and help improve electron tunneling, ultimately enhancing mitochondrial function. Cold exposure is also beneficial, but this doesn’t mean jumping into an ice bath. There’s this trend among biohackers encouraging ice baths, but we live in climate-controlled environments, which isn’t conducive to mitochondrial health. Your mitochondria are designed to generate heat when exposed to cold.

This means not bundling up every time you go outside in the cold, taking a cold shower, or allowing yourself to shiver and produce brown adipose tissue, which is metabolically active and full of mitochondria. If you don’t engage in those practices, you’ll lose that mitochondrial function, leading to accelerated aging. However, this isn’t about suffering or shocking your nervous system in freezing water—it’s about exposing yourself to environments colder than your body temperature. Even a 15-degree drop is cold for your body, so go low and slow.

Start by putting your face or hands in cold water to get your body used to different temperatures. We’ve lost this ability because of our civilized indoor living, but we can regain it and support our mitochondria. There are also specific nutrients that can support mitochondrial functioning. B1, B2, and B3 vitamins, for example, are important for the citric acid cycle, while CoQ10, NAC, and carnitine are crucial for the electron transport chain. These are additional tools to consider.

[01:11:20] Case Study: Phosphatidylcholine’s Role in Detoxification and Comprehensive Cellular Health

Justine Stenger: This case study I wanted to show you demonstrates what happens with the BodyBio phospholipid complex. This was a 38-year-old male, and you can see quite a few intracellular toxins before treatment. After taking phosphatidylcholine, we removed all of those intracellular toxins through lipid replacement therapy. I’ve seen this result hundreds of times, which made me curious to learn more about phospholipids. I wondered why we weren’t talking more about the power of phosphatidylcholine in supporting detoxification.

Ryan Sternagel: I try to categorize everything to make sure I’m covering all the bases. The cell membrane stuff, I have my own category for it. You need to be focused on cell membranes because it’s important for everything, but they also bleed into the straight-up detoxification category so much. I’m always constantly rearranging how everything fits together. It really should be talked about more in detoxification, and that graph you showed is all the proof you need.

Justine Stenger: It’s a great tool, for sure. I have honestly hundreds of those examples, so it’s not just a one-off case. This six-month protocol involved a high dose of PC—two tablespoons—a tablespoon of Balance Oil, liquid minerals, and added glutathione, sodium butyrate, TUDCA, and E-Lyte for a comprehensive, targeted cellular health approach. That’s all I’ve got for you today. Thank you so much for having me, and I hope you all found it valuable.

Ryan Sternagel: Justine, that was great. Thank you. I love it when clinicians present high-level information that’s still accessible to us laymen. I’ve gotten so much from going to conferences like the one you were at, Dr. Anderson’s AAMP conference. Ever since my son was diagnosed, I’ve been focused on getting physician-level information, and I feel this was right at that level, but for everyone. Thank you for that, Justine.

Justine Stenger: Thanks so much for having me. It was my pleasure.

Ryan Sternagel: Excellent presentation, thank you. Should we ask some questions?

Justine Stenger: For sure.

[01:14:57] Phosphatidylcholine and Balance Oil: Essential Nutrients for Long-Term Cellular Support

Ryan Sternagel: You addressed this in the presentation, but it probably bears repeating. One question is: “Do you take this on an ongoing basis or for a set period?” I’ll elaborate—my approach is to rotate through supplements to keep things fresh and not stay on the same product forever. That said, we’ve never fully rotated off PC like we have with other things.

Justine Stenger: These are essential nutrients, so I wouldn’t even put the BodyBio phospholipid complex and Balance Oil in the supplement category. These are essential inputs we want to provide our body with, which is different from taking a supplement day in and day out without a break.

[01:16:30] IV vs. Oral Phosphatidylcholine: Best Practices for Detoxification and Health Conditions

Ryan Sternagel: You talked about this too: “What’s the ideal amount to take daily when dealing with health conditions? And, is IV PC a better delivery system?” I’ve never heard of that.

Justine Stenger: Yes, IV PC is a thing, but you have to be careful because not all IV PC is created equal. You would never want to do IV PC without also doing oral PC. IV PC is great for expediting detoxification—it used to be used in hospitals before the pharmaceutical industry took over. It’s a very powerful detoxification tool. Dr. Bruce Hoffman uses it for patients with DNA adducts, which are correlated with cancer. We can use IV to expedite the process, but we always combine it with oral PC.

Oral PC will get you the same results, but it takes longer. Whether you use it depends on the level of toxicity and illness. Also, make sure you go to a doctor who knows what they’re doing—you wouldn’t want to go just anywhere for that.

[01:18:07] Grounding Sheets and Clean Grounding: Potential Risks and Safe Practices

Ryan Sternagel: Here’s the million-dollar question I’m excited to hear your answer to: “Grounding sheets—what are your thoughts?”

Justine Stenger: I did a post about this on Instagram yesterday. I’m not a fan of grounding sheets unless you’ve had a building biologist come in and test your environment. I would never use a grounding sheet that connects to your home’s electrical system because you’re essentially charging your body. Dr. Bondly found that grounding sheets can amplify frequencies to the body by 300%.

Ryan Sternagel: So, right in there with the dirty electricity…

Justine Stenger: Exactly—it’s a dangerous road to go down. There are grounding sheets that go out the window and into the ground, but you need to ensure that your ground is clean. In many cities, the ground isn’t clean, so even if you’re putting a grounding rod in the ground, you could be charging yourself. If you’re interested, hire someone to check your environment first. Grounding can be helpful, but you need to make sure you’re not exposing yourself to more EMFs.

Ryan Sternagel: When you say the ground isn’t clean, are you saying someone living in the city wouldn’t want to ground their sheets to a patch of grass if it’s not clean? Is putting your feet on that grass also not good?

Justine Stenger: This is the sad reality of the world we live in today, Ryan. I work with an amazing electromagnetic frequency doctor who tests bio-photons coming off your body. When we’re releasing light, it’s indicative of cancerous cells because health can be defined as your ability to absorb light and retain it in the cell. He’s super savvy with all of this. About a year ago, he told me he went all around California testing the ground and had to go three feet under to find the clean ground.

To your point, people who are barefoot in their backyards may not be getting the healing benefits they think they are. The exception would be on the beach because the water acts as a Faraday cage, but in most backyards, it’s not as healing as we’d like it to be.

Ryan Sternagel: So, get all your electrons by other means! There are plenty of options.

[01:21:10] Best Practices for Taking Phosphatidylcholine and Balance Oil: Always with Food

Ryan Sternagel: This was probably addressed: “Does PC need to be ingested on an empty stomach?”

Justine Stenger: No, always with food, and ideally with protein. Never on an empty stomach. The same goes for Balance Oil—fats and oils should always be taken with food.

[01:21:27] Flax Oil, Krill Oil, and Seafood: Balancing Omega-3 and Omega-6 for Optimal Health

Ryan Sternagel: “How about organic Barlean’s flax oil with lignin? And there was another question—how about krill oil?” We’re getting into the “what about this oil, what about that oil” discussion.

Justine Stenger: I don’t recommend supplementing with flax oil because it’s so high in ALA (alpha-linolenic acid) that it can throw off your essential fatty acid balance. For example, I put three tablespoons of flax seeds on my cottage cheese the other morning, and that’s about 10 grams of omega-3 in the form of ALA. I immediately thought, “I won’t do that again.” You need to balance those two sides, or you risk depleting your linoleic acid.

As for Barlean’s, I don’t know enough about their flax oil to say if it’s high quality. Krill oil—I’m honestly not a fan of fish oils. If there’s one fish oil I’d recommend, it’s from BodyBio because I know how it’s extracted—from herring roe in whole-food form. It’s still in phospholipid form, with phosphatidylcholine protecting EPA and DHA. But nothing substitutes for seafood, I believe it’s an incredibly healing food, and we should be consuming seafood in some form.

[01:23:04] Why Algae Oil May Not Be an Ideal Source of Omega-3s: Stability and Bioavailability Issues

Ryan Sternagel: Someone asked about algae oil, what do you think? I assume the question comes from the idea that fish get their omega-3 fatty acids from eating algae, so why not go straight to the source?

Justine Stenger: I would never recommend algae oil. It’s extracted, and DHA has four to six double carbon bonds, which makes it highly susceptible to oxidation and hard to keep stable. Additionally, in plant foods, DHA is in the wrong position. In animal foods, DHA is in the SN-2 position, which is bioavailable to the human body. In algae oil, DHA is in either the SN-1 or SN-3 position, which isn’t beneficial for us. I’m not a fan of algae oil.

[01:24:09] Determining Balance Oil Dosage and Clarifying Omega-6 to Omega-3 Ratios

Ryan Sternagel: “How does one tell how much Balance Oil to take?”

Justine Stenger: You’ll need to do some guesswork if you’re not running the red blood cell fatty acid test. I’m spoiled because I get to see so many lab results and can support people based on the levels that are found within their red blood cells. But since these are essential fatty acids, you’re not going to hurt yourself by taking two or three tablespoons. If you love Balance Oil and use a lot of it, factor in your seafood consumption. The higher you go with Balance Oil, the more seafood you should consider adding—maybe another serving per week.

It’s impossible to give an exact dose because everyone’s different and will need different amounts.

Ryan Sternagel: “Speaking of dosages, the label on the PC (phosphatidylcholine) bottle says half a teaspoon, but you’ve referred to consuming a tablespoon or two. All the people buying it off the BodyBio site would be using half a teaspoon. Is that of any benefit? I mean, I guess it’s better than not taking any PC, but what benefit are they getting?” Is the half teaspoon the ultimate long-term maintenance dose, or is that more of a regulatory thing?

Justine Stenger: I don’t know for sure, but honestly, it’s such a tiny amount. I would recommend more than that, even for a six-month-old baby. It’s a very small dose. I’m assuming it has something to do with FDA or FTC regulations on dosing.

Ryan Sternagel: Sadly, regulations often determine the dosage on the bottle. It’s good to attend deep-dive webinars and discussions like these to figure out the best way to use products.

Ryan Sternagel: The question about omega-3 ALA to omega-6—was it 4x the amount of omega-3 ALA to omega-6, or was it reversed?

Justine Stenger: No, it’s reversed. It’s a ratio of four parts omega-6 to one part omega-3. Flaxseed oil has the wrong ratio—it’s the opposite.

[01:27:17] Phospholipids for Children and Mammals: Benefits and Accessing the Kennedy Krieger Fatty Acid Test

Ryan Sternagel: “Can children use this?” My kid do.

Justine Stenger: Oh my gosh, yes! Think about it—their brains are developing. This is amazing support for a developing brain. These are essential nutrients. I give phospholipids to my dogs! If you’re a mammal, you can benefit from phospholipid support.

Ryan Sternagel: Well, most of us on the call today are mammals. Can you spell out the name of the cell fatty acid test?

Justine Stenger: It’s from the Kennedy Krieger lab. It’s at Johns Hopkins University.

Ryan Sternagel: So, people would have their practitioner look up that test?

Justine Stenger: Yes, you’d want to go through BodyBio to have your practitioner sign up for an account with them. You need a practitioner to order it because, otherwise, you’ll get two pages of fatty acids and not know what to do unless you’re well-versed in fatty acid metabolism. You want the BodyBio wellness report that explains everything and makes sense of the results.

[01:28:53] Debunking the ‘Fatty 15’ Myth: Understanding Essential Fatty Acids

Ryan Sternagel: What about “Fatty 15”? I keep seeing Facebook ads about it—it knows I’m into this stuff.

Justine Stenger: The idea that “Fatty 15” is a new essential fatty acid is upsetting. We only have two essential fatty acids: linoleic acid and alpha-linolenic acid. There’s no such thing as a new essential fatty acid—that’s marketing. Fatty 15 does not replace the body’s need for essential fatty acids, and it’s not an essential fatty acid. It’s synthesized in the gut by propionate, and it’s found in full-fat dairy, but it doesn’t replace essential fatty acids. That’s just a lie.

Ryan Sternagel: Are they saying it replaces essential fatty acids?

Justine Stenger: Yes, they are.

Ryan Sternagel: Wow, that’s unfortunate.

Justine Stenger: It is.

Ryan Sternagel: There’s no “lie police” for Amazon or Facebook ads.

Justine Stenger: I know. It’s upsetting because so many people don’t know better—they want to get healthy and end up being told lies. It’s the Wild West out there, for sure.

[01:30:27] Choosing Clean, Nutritious Seafood: Wild-Caught vs. Farmed Fish Considerations

Ryan Sternagel: Good point, Morgan: “You might want to add that some seafood is incredibly bad for you. Some people might run out and start buying tilapia or farmed fish, which would be a bad move.” I used to avoid entire categories of food because of potential toxicity, but you wouldn’t be able to eat anything if you did that. You still need to look for the cleanest source of whatever category of food you’re eating.

Justine Stenger: Morgan, thanks for mentioning that. Wild-caught salmon, mackerel, and sardines are great. I’m a huge fan of caviar because the EPA and DHA are in phospholipid form, making it an amazing brain food that gets directly incorporated into your brain. Small, fatty fish deliver great amounts of phospholipid forms. You definitely want to avoid most farmed fish. However, I will push back on one point—there are some places in Canada where they’re mimicking a natural environment to support the fish population. These farms are ethical and natural, and the fish can’t escape, but yes, most farmed fish aren’t good for human consumption.

Ryan Sternagel: Mussels and oysters are amazing.

Justine Stenger: Oysters are like a superfood on steroids. I love oysters.

[01:32:12] Sources of Essential Fatty Acids in Balance Oil: Safflower and Flax

Ryan Sternagel: What are the sources of EFAs (essential fatty acids) in the Balance Oil?

Justine Stenger: Safflower and flax. Safflower is where we derive the omega-6 (linoleic acid), and flax is where we get the alpha-linolenic acid (omega-3).

[01:32:30] TUDCA Availability in the UK: Who to Contact for More Information

Ryan Sternagel: Any idea why you’re not selling TUDCA in the UK anymore?

Justine Stenger: I’m not involved in the sales and manufacturing side, but Kat, who is in charge of that on the UK side, would be a great person to contact. She’s delightful and would have the answers.

[01:33:00] Natural Moonlight vs. Artificial Light: Connecting with the Natural World for Health

Ryan Sternagel: I’m trying to recall where this next question came from: “What about moonlight? We were talking about the importance of sunlight, but is moonlight good for you? Or was it about blocking out all light?”

Justine Stenger: Anything natural is good for you. The more you connect with the natural world, the better you’ll be for it. Moonlight is fine. You just want to avoid any artificial light at night.

Ryan Sternagel: That’s probably what they meant. But yes, get as much light during the day as possible, so the moonlight is vastly different from the light you’re getting during the day.

[01:33:55] The Benefits of Sunlight Exposure: Starting Your Day with Healing Light Frequencies

Ryan Sternagel: “How long should you look at the sun or sunlight upon waking?” As long as you can.

Justine Stenger: The more, the better.

Ryan Sternagel: You can look directly at the sun for approximately the first hour it’s coming up and the last hour before it sets. Although, once you get past half an hour, it can get a little bright.

Justine Stenger: Exactly. Your body will tell you if the sun is too bright—don’t look at it if it is. But you don’t have to look directly at the sun to get the benefits. I like to jump on my rebounder while watching the sunrise; I’m soaking in all of those frequencies from the sunrise, and there’s no pain or discomfort associated with it, it’s such a healing experience. The key is consistency. Once you start, you’ll get so addicted to it—it’s the most beautiful way to start your day.

Even after the sun gets too bright to look at, you’ll still benefit from being outside because light frequencies are like ocean waves—they infiltrate the entire sky. You don’t even need to see the sunrise directly to get the benefits of light in your eyes in the morning. You just need to be outside during that time.

Ryan Sternagel: If you’re driving, have your car window down.

Justine Stenger: Yes, as much as you can. I’ve got a big window open all day. You want to bring as much outside light inside as you can.

Ryan Sternagel: I love it. You’re a gal after my own heart, combining things—doing the rebounder while watching the sunrise. That’s a new one!

Justine Stenger: I’m obsessed with the rebounder; It’s the best activity.

Ryan Sternagel: When we were doing a sauna webinar, someone said they took a bunch of nano gold, sat in the sauna, and looked at the sunrise all at once to get the light reflecting inside of them. I don’t know, but I like it! (laughs).

[01:36:23] Red Light Therapy: A Powerful Tool for Healing in a Blue Light-Toxic World

Ryan Sternagel: “Is red light therapy still helpful?” Yeah, for sure. We love it.

Justine Stenger: Absolutely. We’re very blue light-toxic and red light-deficient, so red light therapy is an amazing treatment. There’s a researcher named Tina Karu who wrote a paper called something like Is Red Light Therapy Equivalent to a Pharmaceutical Drug? and the conclusion was yes. It’s a very powerful treatment.

[01:36:57] Balancing Glutathione Use and Research Conflicts: Supporting Redox Potential in Cancer Care

Ryan Sternagel: “There is conflicting research on glutathione potentially feeding cancer cells. It’s risky business taking that one, right?” Yes and no. There is conflicting research. I was talking to Dr. Anderson about this at a conference, and he dives deeper into that research than anyone I know. He says it’s fine as long as you’re not going crazy with it. Using it a couple of times a week is fine, but it shouldn’t be your main detox tool. Healthy cells will use it up long before it has a chance to feed cancer cells.

Justine Stenger: You’re going to find conflicting research on a lot of things, even phosphatidylcholine has research saying it’s contraindicated for cancer and could promote cancer growth. You’ll find conflicting research everywhere. The research I’ve read on glutathione says that ideally, we want to improve our redox potential and make our own glutathione. However, we can use supplements as a therapeutic tool for a period of time to support individuals. Glutathione protects against oxidative stress. However, taking it during chemotherapy could be a problem because it can impact the efficacy of the chemo. You want to pulse antioxidants with oxidation to support metabolic function while optimizing any conventional oncology treatments.

Ryan Sternagel: This is a good pitch for our Going Integrative Plus program. If anyone here isn’t already part of it, you get to ask the top minds in integrative cancer care like Dr. Anderson and other great doctors anything you want every week. Plus, you can ask me anything, too! It’s fun stuff. Just write in if you’re interested.

Like you said, Justine, there’s conflicting research on everything. It was maddening when my son was diagnosed with stage four cancer. I prided myself on reading as much published research as I could, but it gets complicated fast. Now, I just ask the smartest people I know, “Hey, what do you think about this?”

Ryan Sternagel: “You’re out of a lot of products—will they be back in stock? I don’t think you’re out of PC, though. I checked.”

Justine Stenger: I’m a little confused. Maybe Lynn can expand on that? Are you saying not to put yourself in a program yet advertise products? These aren’t my products—I specialize in phospholipids and fatty acids, and I love BodyBio’s products.

Ryan Sternagel: Maybe it’s related to the idea that a lot of things won’t work until you feed your cells properly.

Justine Stenger: Exactly. And what you want to feed your cells with are phospholipids and fatty acids. I was referring to other products not being effective until you restore cell membrane integrity.

[01:40:58] Navigating Nutritional Challenges for Vegans: Incorporating Minimal Animal Products for Essential Nutrients

Ryan Sternagel: “What do vegans do if they’re absolutely against taking any animal products?”

Justine Stenger: You’re putting me in a tough spot. I don’t work with people who are opposed to eating any animal products because, unfortunately, I haven’t been able to turn things around for them. I don’t have an answer other than hoping they’d be open to consuming some form of animal product—like eggs, caviar, or oysters.

Ryan Sternagel: Yeah, the moral argument is tricky. I can’t find much that you can’t get from eggs or butter. Plus, studies have shown that the consciousness of mussels and oysters is similar to that of plants.

Justine Stenger: Plants are conscious, too.

Ryan Sternagel: Everything’s conscious, even rocks, at some level. But when we’re talking about the scale of consciousness, they [mussels and oysters] don’t seem to think or feel pain, or…

Justine Stenger: Exactly. If you incorporate oysters, eggs, a little butter, and some dairy, you’re well on your way to supporting so many of the crucial nutrients that we need.

[01:42:42] Phosphatidylcholine vs. Choline: Addressing Concerns About Prostate Cancer and Mitochondrial Health

Ryan Sternagel: Back to conflicting research: “My main concern with PC (phosphatidylcholine) is the relationship between choline and prostate cancer.” Can you expand on that?

Justine Stenger: Remember, choline is not the same as phosphatidylcholine. Choline is just a portion of it—it’s a different molecule. I recently read a study about this and was discussing it with my partner, who’s a medical doctor. It’s interesting because the conclusions from these epidemiological studies often come from groups of people consuming higher levels of eggs, meat, and dairy products, which are good sources of choline.

I’m not a cancer expert, and even my good friend Nasha Winters, who is very prevalent in the integrative oncology field, has concerns. For most cancers, I’d recommend phosphatidylcholine, but for active, advanced prostate cancer, it’s still unclear whether it’s safe because of these studies. Choline and phosphatidylcholine are different, though, and I always look at things through the lens of mitochondrial function. Many degenerative diseases, including cancer, are mitochondrial diseases. We need lipids to restore mitochondrial function. But again, I’m not a cancer expert, so it’s something to be cautious about.

Ryan Sternagel: Those good old studies that no one knows what to do with.

[01:44:54] Impact of Genetic SNPs on Phosphatidylcholine Synthesis and Mitochondrial Function

Ryan Sternagel: “Do certain genetic SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms) make a difference when taking PC?”

Justine Stenger: Yes, some SNPs can impact your ability to synthesize PC, but I don’t know of any contraindications for taking it. Remember, your mitochondria determine how your genes transcribe.

[01:45:26] EMF Mitigation: Distance First, but Exploring Additional Tools Like the Cosmic Tower

Ryan Sternagel: “Does the cosmic tower affect the body for EMF?” We did a webinar on the cosmic tower—it’s my new favorite “energetic toy,” though I shouldn’t call it a toy! It’s pretty awesome. We had a fascinating discussion about scalar waves and all sorts of fun stuff last week.

Justine Stenger: Personally, I’m a fan of Newton’s inverse square law. The farther away you can get from the source of EMFs, the better.

Ryan Sternagel: Exactly. For the longest time, I resisted talking about any kind of EMF-mitigating device because I didn’t want to give the impression that you shouldn’t do everything possible to distance yourself from EMF sources first. Distance is always the biggest factor. But now they’re coming after all of us with satellites—far away, but still beaming down on us!

Justine Stenger: Beaming down on all of us, indeed.

[01:47:00] Exploring EMF Protection: Dr. Andrew Palos, Biophotons, and Faraday Cages for Devices

Ryan Sternagel: Who’s the EMF doctor you mentioned earlier?

Justine Stenger: Dr. Andrew Palos. He does electromagnetic frequency testing. His work is based on Albert Fritz Popp’s research on biophotons—how we absorb and retain light in our cells. When cells are sick, they release light. Dr. Palos tests the light frequencies coming off the body.

Ryan Sternagel: I’ve got to check that out! “What’s a Faraday cage for a phone?” A Faraday cage is something that blocks electromagnetic fields. There’s Faraday fabric, and you can even get a Faraday tent to put over your bed. A Faraday cage for your phone would be a container made of Faraday fabric that blocks electromagnetic fields from emitting from your phone. But we also had an interesting conversation about how scalar waves can go right through a Faraday cage—fun stuff!

[01:48:48] Binders vs. Phosphatidylcholine: Supporting Cell Membranes Before Detoxification

Ryan Sternagel: We already touched on that: “Do binders mess up your cell membranes? Is glutathione essentially a binder?” Glutathione is not a binder. Binders include things like activated charcoal, bentonite clay, and zeolite—these are substances that soak up toxicants.

Justine Stenger: You don’t want to take binders before first supporting your cell membranes with phospholipids and fatty acids. Phosphatidylcholine (PC) is your most powerful tool for binding toxins in a way that supports the body, rather than stripping it of resources and reducing reserve capacity.

[01:49:33] The Role of Coconut Oil: Understanding Its Place Among Fats and Fatty Acids

Ryan Sternagel: Where does coconut oil come into play, Justine, when we’re talking about fats?

Justine Stenger: Coconut oil doesn’t really come into play. It’s a saturated fat from tropical oils. Unless you’re living in a tropical location where it grows naturally, it doesn’t contain essential fatty acids. It’s simply a source of saturated fats.

Ryan Sternagel: Why was there a book called The Coconut Oil Miracle then?

Justine Stenger: I don’t have the answer.

Ryan Sternagel: (laughs) I’m being sarcastic.

Justine Stenger: I figured! (laughs)

[01:50:41] Liquid vs. Capsules for Phosphatidylcholine 

Ryan Sternagel: “Liquid or pills for the PC?” Liquid is better because it’s a much better deal.

Justine Stenger: Twelve capsules equal one tablespoon, so you’re also getting a lot of gel caps with the pills.

Ryan Sternagel: Yeah, there’s definitely “pill fatigue” there. I’ve come to look forward to the taste of the liquid.

Justine Stenger: Same here! I love it.

Ryan Sternagel: Once again, for those asking about the replay of this webinar and others, we’ll send out an email with the link. The same link you used to sign up becomes the replay link. We’re working on turning past webinars into an evergreen format so you can access them anytime. In the meantime, if there are any specific ones you want to watch, just write in, and we’ll send you the recording.

Do you see any other questions you want to address?

Justine Stenger: One person asked for clarification—I don’t work at a clinic. Dr. Bruce Hoffman, from the Hoffman Center for Integrative Medicine, has referred patients to me for a long time, but I have my own practice. He does lipid replacement therapy and is fantastic, but I’m on my own now.

Ryan Sternagel: No doubt, the UK health police are blocking the TUDCA. I wouldn’t be surprised.

Justine Stenger: Probably!

Ryan Sternagel: Alright, I think that’ll do it. Justine, this was a lot of fun. When we get our regular podcast going again, I’d love to have you on. I think we’d have fun geeking out over all the weird health-hacking stuff you pack into a day—it sounds like you share that passion.

Justine Stenger: Absolutely! I love all that stuff. Thank you, and thanks to everyone for being here. If anyone wants to get in touch with me, if you’re a practitioner, you can reach out to me through BodyBio to set up a meeting. If you’re not a practitioner, I’m super active on Instagram. You’re welcome to check out my daily reels and ask me any questions about BodyBio products. Of course, I can’t give medical advice, but I’m happy to educate you on structure and function. You can find me on Instagram at Justine Cellular Nutrition or visit my website, JustineStenger.com.

Ryan Sternagel: I appreciate that. So, you do see people one-on-one for functional consultations, right?

Justine Stenger: Yes, I have my own practice called The Cellular Cure. I promote myself more as an educator, but I do work one-on-one with clients, focusing on restoring mitochondrial function.

Ryan Sternagel: I love it. Alright, everyone, Justine, this was fantastic. I appreciate you coming on.

Justine Stenger: Thank you so much, and thank you, everyone, for taking the time to be here. Have a great rest of your week!

Ryan Sternagel: Good job showing up, everybody. See you next time!