[00:00:00] Introduction to the Blood and Gut Health Kit and Heather’s Product Journey

[00:05:22] Heather’s Journey from Medical Industry to Natural Health: Key Motivations for Change

[00:08:44] Conventional vs. Functional Medicine: The Need for Personalized Health Approaches

[00:10:53] The Connection Between Blood Flow, Gut Health, and the Role of Biofilm

[00:12:17] The Intricate Link Between Biofilm, Blood Clots, and Gut Health

[00:16:52] Nattokinase, Biofilm Breakdown, and Detoxification: The Role of Enzymes in Health

[00:21:28] Nattokinase: Supporting Tumor Therapy, Cardiovascular Health, and Brain Function

[00:24:12] Nattokinase and Probiotics: Managing Biofilm and Harmful Bacteria

[00:25:32] Who Should and Shouldn’t Use Nattokinase: Precautions and Success Stories

[00:30:37] Nattokinase and Its Role in Breaking Up Clots and Eliminating Spike Protein

[00:31:09] The Importance of Soil Probiotics: Applications for Gut, Skin, and Environment

[00:33:19] Soil Probiotics and Immune Response: A Natural Alternative to Chemical Vaccines

[00:34:19] Skin, Gut, and Oral Health Benefits of Bacillus Probiotics: Immune Support During the Pandemic

[00:35:48] Probiotics and Gut Health: Addressing SIBO, Leaky Gut, and the Role of Bacillus Subtilis

[00:37:42] Expanding Probiotic Applications: From Plant Growth to Marine Habitats

[00:38:20] Nattokinase and Probiotics: A Synergistic Approach to Blood and Gut Health

[00:39:31] Soil-Based Probiotics: Strengthening Immunity, Balancing the Microbiome, and Supporting Digestion

[00:40:43] Positive Feedback on the Kit: Improved Energy, Cognitive Function, and Recovery

[00:42:11] Real-World Results: How Nattokinase and Probiotics Improve Blood Health and Address Clots

[00:44:42] Restoring the “God Spark”: Emotional and Spiritual Reflections on the Impact of the Shot

[00:47:49] Nattokinase vs. Natto: No Soy Concerns and Medical-Grade Benefits

[00:51:16] Chronic Sinus Issues: Nebulizing Probiotics for Fungal and Bacterial Relief

[00:53:09] Continuous Use of Biofilm Disruptors: Frequency, Safety, and Effective Detoxification

[00:59:50] Finding an Integrative Cardiologist: Recommendations and Notable Experts

[01:01:20] Detecting Blood Clots: Key Tests and the Role of Dark Field Microscopy

[01:03:51] Recommended Nattokinase Dosage: 2000 FUs as a Preventative Measure

[01:04:04] Why Choose This Nattokinase: The Benefits of a Medical-Grade Source from South Korea

[01:06:06] How Nattokinase Safely Breaks Down Clots and Plaque Without Stroke Risk

[01:10:00] Bacillus Subtilis Survival in Soil and Potential Consumer Soil Additives

[01:11:13] Upcoming Probiotic Products: Wound Care, Cleaning Wipes, and Mycotoxin Elimination

[01:12:53] Effectiveness of Probiotic Products Against Mold: Internal and Environmental Applications

[01:15:23] Comparing Spore-Based Probiotics: A Gentler and More Affordable Alternative to MegaSporeBiotic

[01:17:56] Probiotics for Candida: Effective Pac-Man Action Without Risk of SIBO

[01:19:24] Product Shelf Life and Retail Availability: Long-Lasting Probiotics and Select Store Partnerships

[01:21:38] Global Shipping Solutions: Upfront Costs for International Customers

[01:22:51] Mouthwash Use: Spit Out Plaque, Swallowing Small Amounts Is Safe

[01:23:38] Support for Long COVID Symptoms: Immune Fortification and Inflammation Reduction

[01:25:31] Biofilms and Mineral Absorption: Probiotics Support Beneficial Mineral Uptake

[01:27:13] Using Probiotic Mouthwash and Skin Spray for Eyelid Infections and Styes

[01:28:25] Probiotics and Enzymes: Supporting the Body’s Defense Against Environmental Toxins

[01:30:11] Herxheimer Reactions: Potential Detox Symptoms and the Importance of Patience

[01:31:52] Organic Sourcing: Ensuring Purity and Ethical Ingredients in Probiotic Products

[01:35:09] Best Practices for Taking Natto and Probiotic Products: Timing and Practical Usage

[01:36:35] Weaning Off Blood Thinners: A Gradual Approach with Nattokinase

[01:39:17] Timing Binders with Probiotics and Nattokinase: Considerations for Toxin Release

[01:41:47] Recommended Usage of Digestive Additive and Nattokinase: Frequency and Dosage

[01:43:10] Working and Following up with Heather Holmes

[01:45:07] New Developments and Future Products: Wound Care and the Importance of Biofilm Research

[00:00:00] Introduction to the Blood and Gut Health Kit and Heather’s Product Journey

Ryan Sternagel: All right, let’s kick this bad boy off. I’m excited about this, Heather. I’m glad we had a slot to fill—a cancellation opened up. We’re usually booked a few months out for webinars, but we had an open slot, and you were gracious enough to fill it, which I was glad about because last time, on our P2 Probiotic Power webinar—which, for anyone who missed it, is Heather’s other company with a whole line of cleaning, skin, and pet care products.

The point is to dissolve biofilms that accumulate on everything and reintroduce good bacteria into the environment, instead of nuking everything, which then gives rise to pathogens, biofilms, and so on. Like you shouldn’t nuke your gut, you shouldn’t nuke your surroundings, your home biome, your skin biome, or your pet’s fur biome.

In that webinar, you also made two announcements—one that you would finally come out with a product because the stuff you use in those products is so amazing. It’s that combination of enzymes that break down biofilms and the blend of soil-based probiotics. People, including me, have been asking, “Why can’t you make a gut product, for the love of God, Heather?” You’ve got the best combination there of things to help people not just externally but internally. You finally did, but you took it a step further with your blood and gut health kit.

Your blood and gut health kit is the first offering, if I’m not mistaken, of your new Quantum Health Products company. And, as you mentioned on the P2 Probiotic Power webinar, this will be made into a podcast that goes up on YouTube and all that stuff. But, about spike dissolving—I think we can say that. Don’t worry too much about censoring yourself.

Heather Holmes: You say that, and then I know it’s okay.

Ryan Sternagel: I love it. But don’t bend over backward; we can edit whatever out. Don’t worry about that. That being said, Heather, I’m a few minutes late, and I rambled for a bit about conspiracy death rays and stuff like that. Let’s jump into it. What do you have for us today?

Heather Holmes: We’re here because we all want to be healthy and well—I don’t think that’s a mystery. I have a little slide presentation I’m going to do. It’s not going to be too painful, but normally I would just talk and talk. Sometimes visuals are a little bit easier, so if you don’t mind, I’m going to do that. Then we’ll come back for a discussion.

Ryan Sternagel: Let’s do that. So, nasal drip—and you think the Probiotic Power H2 additive, or is it the H2 additive that’s helping, or is it the allergy spray? I’ve been doing the nasal spray and the allergy spray up my nose. I believe that’s helping me because I’ve always had a nasal drip as well.

Heather Holmes: That’s my baby. That’s what got me off of 20 years of antibiotics that I took six times a year, which wrecked my gut. I am living, walking proof of that. We’ll talk about that at the end because there are some things I want to talk about.  A lot of people purchased the probiotics last time, and we’re running the same program with that for a week. We’re going to give it a little bit of time for that at the end.

[00:05:22] Heather’s Journey from Medical Industry to Natural Health: Key Motivations for Change

Heather Holmes: I’m not going into my full background, but there is a purpose to why I have this up here.

For many years, I was in the hospital, working with doctors and, in particular, interventional cardiologists, vascular surgeons, and interventional radiologists. The reason I bring these up is because I worked with both arteries and veins in some capacity for a long time—stents for the whole body, except for the heart.

There were three things that made me want to leave that environment. One, they made it difficult with a company that came in and required us to get Hep A, B, C, and tuberculosis vaccines before we could even walk in the hospital. That was number one, which I would not do.

Number two, being in with stents for the whole body… and I’ll go over where those were placed, but let’s say, for example, I was working with one of my favorite interventional cardiologists and a resident. The entire SFA (which runs all the way down your thigh area) was completely occluded with plaque. Instead of doing the right thing, which would have been to send the patient to the vascular surgeon to open that up and clear the clot, the resident decided to do a “full metal jacket” and put five stents back-to-back all the way down the thigh. I went into the hallway and started crying. I made a lot of money that day, but that’s not what mattered to me. What mattered was that we were doing the right thing for the patient—and that was the wrong thing to do.

Within the hospital environment, there is a fight between interventional radiologists, vascular surgeons, and interventional cardiologists over who gets to place stents. Originally, it was the interventional radiologists who did it. They worked very closely with cancer patients. They were doing the right things. Then, all of a sudden, it was like, “Oh, we don’t have to put stents in the heart; we can get trained and put them all over the body.” That’s the interventional cardiologists, and the vascular surgeons are in the middle, fighting this fight.

I mention this for a particular reason—because I was disgusted. The last reason I left was because, at one point, I sold a device that could attach to a patient like a cardiac monitor and defibrillate the patient within 10 seconds of any arrhythmia, whether that’s your heart racing into VT, SVT, or asystole (when you’re going down). When they call a code in a hospital, it could take three to five minutes, and they don’t have very good outcomes for that reason. I had the CEO of a hospital tell me that it was less expensive to have the patient die. Those were the three reasons I got out of medical

[00:08:44] Conventional vs. Functional Medicine: The Need for Personalized Health Approaches

Heather Holmes: If you look at where we are, we haven’t progressed very much in conventional medicine. They’re still following the Rockefeller push for a pharmaceutical mindset. They are very focused on the symptom and not the source of the problem. Honestly, they prescribe pharmaceuticals that get you on the hamster wheel and into the system, and it becomes very tedious and expensive to maintain care.

Then you take the functional medicine side—a more holistic approach, obviously more open to natural alternatives and methods to address your health. Many of them will work with budgets, but they can be expensive too. They also can use a one-size-fits-all prescription for supplements. That’s one of the things I talk to people about because it seems like there’s a whole slew of supplements that functional medicine physicians (not all of them, but many) will give as a one-size-fits-all protocol for a disease state they’re dealing with. Our bodies are all different. I talk about this all the time because I don’t think there is a one-size-fits-all for everybody. But I do think there are things we can do to assist our bodies.

This all boils down to taking your health into your own hands, using your intuition, doing your research, and trusting your gut. That’s ironic because we’re going to be talking about the gut today, but truly, this is up to you. As Ryan said, we’re not selling anything today; we’re educating. This is all about how it all works.

I am not a doctor. I’m a researcher. I’m a scientist—that’s where I stop.

[00:10:53] The Connection Between Blood Flow, Gut Health, and the Role of Biofilm

Heather Holmes: I was talking about arteries and veins. If we look at the way blood flows through our body, and we’re going to be talking about the relationship between the blood and the gut today, this is all relative. We’re not just talking about arteries; we’re talking about veins as well, and how blood flows through the body, flows through the organs, and all the things it affects.

I am constantly doing research and am surprised at the incredible things that I find. This brings us to these four words for today’s discussion: platelets, thrombin, fibrin, and the concentration on biofilm. Biofilm is the biggest enemy to our health. I talk about it a lot, and I’m going to keep talking about it because I need people to understand.

The other thing I should have put up here is bacteria because we are bacteria. We are outnumbered by it around us. I always talk about playing nicely in the sandbox. What we’re talking about today is a combination of something that will help you do that very well.

[00:12:17] The Intricate Link Between Biofilm, Blood Clots, and Gut Health

Heather Holmes: As I was reading different studies and articles, one thing that stood out about biofilm—this is all over the Internet, and you can find it—was a doctor talking about this in a blog. What I found interesting, and this relates to cancer as well, is that it all kept coming back to biofilm and platelets. What ends up happening, and the reason we looked at that blood, is because of the biofilm formation. When you’ve got platelet aggregation and fibrin—which are basically the threads of blood—we have thrombin, we have fibrin, and the combination of all the fibrin and the platelet aggregation binds together in the formation of biofilm.

The formation of biofilm is a very intricate web, horizontal and vertical, and it’s like a cement wall. It looks like this. I had four slides, but we’re going to look at it again. This is staph in here. This is the biofilm—the sticky, gluey stuff you see here. I repeat this over and over again so it resonates: 80% of all disease and infection is because of this biofilm that forms. If we got rid of the biofilm and balanced the bacteria in us, on us, and around us, guess what? We get healthy, and our environment gets healthy—our air, our skin, and the things around us.

Because this biofilm is plaque; it forms in your gut, arteries, organs, and brain, and the liver plays a very important role in this platform, carrying it through your blood to your veins and to your brain. This contributes to plaque in the brain, Alzheimer’s, dementia, and it’s all related in this circle and this web.

There is a direct correlation between your gut and your blood. There were too many things for me to put on slides here, but I’ll tell you this: in looking at various studies, I put those four words out there that kept popping up—platelets, blood, the gut, and biofilm—and we have to look at these things together because they interact; they are symbiotic. We can’t just take care of the gut; we have to take care of the blood as well. It’s been shown through different studies and in the gut biome that there is a direct correlation with the regulation of your blood pressure. We know all the other things it does, and we also know there is platelet-thrombolytic activity that relates directly to deep vein thrombosis. Deep vein thrombosis is nothing to play with. We know those clots break off, and I said we weren’t going to talk about arteries, but we have to talk about veins as well.

At one point in time, I worked with a product that extracted clots from veins, and it was a very long process to get those clots out. They couldn’t always get them out. They tried to drip them; they tried all sorts of things to remove them, but they’re very difficult to get out of your veins; I will tell you that. The gut is directly related to what happens with deep vein thrombosis as well.

[00:16:52] Nattokinase, Biofilm Breakdown, and Detoxification: The Role of Enzymes in Health

Heather Holmes: Let’s go into the studies. I’m not going to bore you or go knee-deep into them; I’m just going to highlight. You’ll see all of the ways in which the enzyme we’re talking about today—nattokinase, which many of you may have already heard of—is directly related to probiotics.

When we talk about this fibrinolytic enzyme today, I knew when I started on this journey and put the gut and blood products together that nattokinase was very interesting. The catalyst for the enzyme in our blood product is Bacillus, which is a soil-based probiotic that we use in all of our products, among other soil-based products.

I was intrigued by the fact that Bacillus was the catalyst for the enzyme. When I started looking at it, I thought, “Okay, how does it relate to biofilm?” I started looking at what happens with biofilm because I touched on it, but what I didn’t realize is that it was sequestering calcium and magnesium to help build its matrix, and all of these minerals contribute to the integrity of the biofilm. As I said before, and as it states in this excerpt from clinicaleducation.org, it’s like a thousand sheets of pasta stacked—it’s a wall.

What they started doing is using the fibrinolytics like nattokinase. They used it in combination with EDTA to chelate the minerals. I found that very interesting because, as a result of using those two things together, they were getting this toxic metal dump. And that is important because of the detoxification process that occurs—not only with this enzyme but with the gut product we have—I will tell people that they may experience different things because it is detoxifying the body. It’s getting rid of the biofilm and removing toxins, so as a result, you could have different reactions. Maybe you get a rash; maybe things are coming out of your skin. These are all designed to purify and detoxify.

There were some people who contacted us, and again, this is your call, but if you’re patient, these things will come out of your body. Things come out through your skin to expel toxins from the body, as well as through waste material.

Another thing I thought was interesting here is that it doesn’t matter what disease state you’re dealing with; biofilm is a problem, and the fibrin building with the biofilm in your blood is relevant to these disease states, including cancer. We have to understand this, pay attention to it, and find solutions for it because, currently, I will tell you, there are no great solutions to eliminating biofilm in your body. This is why these two products are important—they aren’t the only two products, but this is a start.

[00:21:28] Nattokinase: Supporting Tumor Therapy, Cardiovascular Health, and Brain Function

Heather Holmes: When looking at nattokinase studies, so many things stood out. The first one, obviously, is the way it helps with chemotherapy, radiation, and the tumors related to those. There is a direct effect that nattokinase to help you through those procedures by regulating that tumor and working to help get rid of the tumor, enhancing the effects of therapies that you may be doing. And maybe it’s not chemotherapy or radiation; maybe it’s something natural, but it’s still going to affect tumors in your body. This also applies to your pets.

One of the big properties of nattokinase is that it lowers lipids. When we talk about it being antihypertensive, that goes back to its ability to help regulate blood pressure. It also has a protective measure for our nervous system, and it’s very important to consider this as an alternative to pharmaceuticals, according to several studies.

As mentioned in these studies, there seems to be an anti-inflammatory response and property to nattokinase as well, which is probably applicable for anyone not suffering from autoimmune disease and is relatively healthy, because our environment is attacking us and trying to kill us. We’re walking around with inflammation in our bodies. It’s almost impossible, no matter what you’re taking or how healthy you are, not to have some level of inflammation.

We talked about the brain and the plaque to the brain, and again, there is a breakdown of fibrin and thrombin with nattokinase. It relates directly to diseases of the brain because the liver is responsible for developing that fibrin and carrying it through the blood.

[00:24:12] Nattokinase and Probiotics: Managing Biofilm and Harmful Bacteria

Heather Holmes: There are also studies about nattokinase relating to biofilm and the way it works with probiotics. These studies show specifically that nattokinase, like soil probiotics containing Bacillus subtilis, can literally sequester harmful bacteria away from your DNA and genes, and it can also help keep the most harmful bacteria at bay to help stop them from forming biofilm. Keep in mind that it’s an enzyme, and enzymes pit biofilm; they do not completely get rid of it. Some people say it gets rid of biofilm, or that colloidal silver does. There is some truth in that—they can pit it—but the moral of the story is, if you don’t get rid of it and prevent it from coming back, it will always regenerate, especially if your immune system is compromised in any way.

[00:25:32] Who Should and Shouldn’t Use Nattokinase: Precautions and Success Stories

Heather Holmes: Who benefits from this? If you are currently taking high blood pressure medication… I’m going to talk about that for a second because we’re not doctors. If you go and ask your conventional doctor about getting off blood thinners, you’re going to fight a losing battle; It will not happen—same with blood pressure medication. You might have an option with your functional medicine physician; they may even know about nattokinase, which is probably your best bet.

The way I look at this, if you’ve been on Coumadin forever because you had open-heart surgery or some other issue, I would highly recommend that you not take this product. I’m going to be very blunt. If you’re pregnant or nursing, do not take this product, and do not give it to children. The reason is that it does a very good job of thinning your blood. If you’re a hemophiliac or have trouble clotting, you should not take this product either. I mention that because I don’t want to set expectations that cannot be met with this.

However, if you are on one blood pressure medication because there seems to have been an issue or on a blood thinner, there are ways to wean yourself off of your blood thinners and blood pressure medications. I usually suggest doing this over a four-week period, alternating between nattokinase and your blood thinners or high blood pressure medication, because you do not want to go cold turkey. You’ll need to be very slow and careful about how you wean yourself off.

We have had many people get off their blood thinners and high blood pressure medication. I don’t want to make it sound like you cannot do that, but be cautious. If you have issues with clotting, that doesn’t mean issues like you can’t clot at all. That means if you clot a lot, this will be an important product for you.

I was asked, “If I have a serious clotting problem and I take this, does that mean clots will break off and go to other places?” The answer to that is no. We have not seen that, but every person’s body is different.

We have a customer whose husband was on blood thinners and high blood pressure medication. He went cold turkey, started using the natto, and took it every day. He had a lot of clots in his body. He went back to the doctor, and they looked—he had no clots in his body. They’re true believers, but again, that’s one story. So, think carefully, but I have every reason to believe that because it breaks up clots naturally in five to six hours, there will not be residual break-off and so forth.

If you have plaque in your arteries, this is an important product for you. If you build plaque or have cholesterol issues, there are multiple studies showing how this helps the body control cholesterol. Again, this is the body doing this; it’s not the product doing it. It’s the body accepting the product to do this.

Cognitive issues—we’ve had multiple people buy these kits for their parents who are starting to show signs of cognitive issues. We’ve received feedback that they’ve seen an improvement and more energy.

People who have taken the shot and lost their sense of smell are reporting that their smell is coming back as well. I do think that’s due to the combination of both blood products.

In general, if you’re looking to have healthy blood, this is a great product for you—a prophylactic product.

I talk about this because it’s important that with any supplement you take, you need to know exactly what it’s going to do for you.

[00:30:37] Nattokinase and Its Role in Breaking Up Clots and Eliminating Spike Protein

Heather Holmes: The other thing that Ryan mentioned with this product, and the study is on our website, showed that it not only broke up clots in five to six hours but also eliminated the spike protein from the shot, which is highly important. It’s something to consider for anybody in your family who did take it—or even yourself, but I don’t think the people on here probably took it.

[00:31:09] The Importance of Soil Probiotics: Applications for Gut, Skin, and Environment

Heather Holmes: Now we’re going to get into the soil probiotics. Can you hear me?

Ryan Sternagel: Still coming through.

Heather Holmes: When I show these studies, I’m going to talk about it in the context of the use of soil probiotics in us, on us, and around us because those are all the applications where probiotics should be applied. I’ll go back to bacteria; that is the main discussion of any health issue. All roads lead back to an imbalance in that area and the environment that you’re dealing with, which you could be fighting against (which a lot of us do). We fight against our environment with the chemicals dropped on us, our food, and so on. But anywhere you go, you are breathing things in and getting exposed to bacteria, maybe bacteria that is not good for you is coming into your environment. It’s going on your skin, up your nose, and eventually, it’s going into your gut.

When I looked at all of these things, I wanted to show you that there are so many different studies and ongoing testing.

Bacillus subtilis—I talked about it—is probably one of the most studied probiotics out there, but keep in mind there are many different strains of the Bacillus species. We use many different ones, but we use them according to where they are applied. Your skin may need something different; up your nose may need something different; in your gut, for your teeth, and so on.

[00:33:19] Soil Probiotics and Immune Response: A Natural Alternative to Chemical Vaccines

Heather Holmes: When I looked at these different studies, one thing stood out to me, and that is the immune response. The same as with natto, there is an immediate immune response and a direct correlation to a reduction in inflammation. Also, the ability of the soil probiotics to act as a nasal… they’re calling it a “nasal vaccine.” In this case, it would be a combination of two of the soil probiotics acting as a natural prevention method for you, as an alternative to a chemical vaccine.

[00:34:19] Skin, Gut, and Oral Health Benefits of Bacillus Probiotics: Immune Support During the Pandemic

Heather Holmes: The other thing is that when it’s applied to the skin, it has a barrier application; it works with the sebum production in your skin, and it has a protective measure there as well. When looking at the gut and five strains of Bacillus (which we do have, and more), it’s directly related to helping with COVID.

During the pandemic, I had nothing in my house except the probiotic products. I was spraying it through my air, drinking it, getting it up my nose, putting it all over my furniture, and cleaning with it. I do believe that since I never had COVID and never took the shot, it boosted my natural immune system.

In the mouth, probiotics cannot be underscored enough. They have a direct correlation to your brain and gut, and they are as crucial as drinking probiotics.

[00:35:48] Probiotics and Gut Health: Addressing SIBO, Leaky Gut, and the Role of Bacillus Subtilis

Heather Holmes: The last thing I would say, and this is what we’re talking about today, is the incredible benefit in your gut that cannot be underscored for conditions like SIBO, leaky gut, disease proneness, IBS, and even Lyme disease.

The common denominator in all of this is biofilm. It all goes back to that, the buildup of plaque in the system, and the buildup of “us” in the system. Probiotics have a direct effect on your immune system, brain, cognitive ability, eyesight, and everything relating to your intestines. But, overall, you cannot just take care of the gut, as I said, you have to take care of the blood because the common denominator binding these two things together is that one soil probiotic, which is Bacillus subtilis, and Bacillus strains can survive through the gut because they are hardy warriors. They can live in anywhere from 32 degrees to 140 degrees. I didn’t know this—that they can survive UV; I had no idea they could do that. I learned that as I was putting this together. And they can survive radiation. They’re going to be your best friend if we do end up getting radiated or whatever; the probiotics can live through that. How about that?

[00:37:42] Expanding Probiotic Applications: From Plant Growth to Marine Habitats

Heather Holmes: The other applications… and we are in these applications. We’re not going to talk about them today, but we do have products for plants to help them grow with the probiotics, for fermentation, and to help guard against pests and things like that. We do that in the grower market. Also, we have applications for marine animals and habitats. Again, this all relates back to biofilm development.

[00:38:20] Nattokinase and Probiotics: A Synergistic Approach to Blood and Gut Health

Heather Holmes: I call the two products we’re going to show you right now a marriage made in health, and they are bonded by that probiotic. The nattokinase, we talked about it a little bit, but it does help break up clots. In 5 to 6 hours, if you were to go to the hospital and get dripped with a lytic, it would take you a lot longer than that, and it wouldn’t completely get rid of the clot.

DVTs, we talked about that. We talked about plaque in the arteries, blood flow, circulation, and the overall improvement of heart function, which is essential for pumping blood through our body, helping to reduce high blood pressure, control cholesterol, and treat Alzheimer’s. It all comes back to the fact that this and the gut product also help increase oxygen. It’s increasing oxygen to the blood, and that is key to your health and the health of your blood.

[00:39:31] Soil-Based Probiotics: Strengthening Immunity, Balancing the Microbiome, and Supporting Digestion

Heather Holmes: The health benefits… the digestive additive, beyond the diseases and health issues we outlined, does help with viruses. It’s been proven to help with viruses and help your genes function better. They can snip off parts of your genes, repurpose them, and work with your DNA. They completely fortify your immune system. Keep in mind we’re talking about soil-based probiotics here, not plant-based probiotics like Lactobacillus, which is not as hardy as this and has trouble making it through the bile system. We’re talking about spores, not cultures.

It truly is the best way to help balance your microbiome and to help with digestion overall. When I have an upset stomach from something I ate, or I’m not feeling right—maybe I got exposed to someone who is shedding—this is the first product I grab, and it helps to ease an upset stomach.

Ryan Sternagel: A lot of information, a lot of questions. Thank you for that, Heather. I’m excited to be putting this out there.

[00:40:43] Positive Feedback on the Kit: Improved Energy, Cognitive Function, and Recovery

Ryan Sternagel: Before we go to Q&A, can you speak to—without making any claims, of course—your experience with what you’ve heard from people who have experienced less than positive effects from the shot, the “Jabberoo,” and what you’ve been hearing from folks who have been taking this kit?

Heather Holmes: The feedback has been, as I mentioned, the smell coming back, more energy, more cognitive… the cognitive awareness coming back. The overall energy that people are feeling, they notice right away; I noticed it too. There have been people reporting this, and I had to believe it to try it for myself, but my eyesight—though I have these on today, excuse me—my eyesight started to improve a little bit.

[00:42:11] Real-World Results: How Nattokinase and Probiotics Improve Blood Health and Address Clots

Ryan Sternagel: How do people with clot issues tell that this product is working on those clots?

Heather Holmes: Unless they go to their doctor and get tested—and many people have. I couldn’t find it in time for this presentation, but there was a girl named Jacqueline who was at death’s door. She was getting stem cell treatments and things like that. If you look at the difference between her blood in April and June, her red blood cells unclumped. She had bigger white blood cells, and the overall health of her blood improved by 70% or 80%. There is a direct effect on this.

As I mentioned, my customer Becky—her husband had multiple clots. They were very concerned and were watching him very carefully. When he went back, he had no clots, and that was after a couple of months. He went cold turkey off his blood pressure medication and his blood thinner—he didn’t want to be on them in the first place; But that’s what happens.

I don’t blame the doctors if they see blood clots. I don’t blame them for putting you on a conventional blood thinner or high blood pressure medication. But the thing is, there are natural alternatives, and it takes people like you to have the discernment and do your due diligence. Ryan does an incredible job of bringing people to you who offer various solutions to various things. I’m in great company, and I don’t put anything out that I haven’t researched. I’m continually researching and learning, and the correlation that keeps happening—I use my instincts to put these two together because of the Bacillus…

[00:44:42] Restoring the “God Spark”: Emotional and Spiritual Reflections on the Impact of the Shot

Heather Holmes: The other very important thing—that’s the most important to me, and it’s not health-related at all—with the combination of these two products… That is… and I get teary when I talk about it because I think the shot… I have to compose myself. I think the shot took away people’s God spark; Our God spark. We have a spark to our divine connection, whether you’re religious, not religious, or anything… our connection to what we call God or the highest power is diminished with the shot. I have one of my best friends, and her daughter wouldn’t let her see her grandchild without taking the shot. I didn’t know she took it because I know she’s against it. She not only did that, but she did three boosters.

I was having this discussion with her aunt and uncle about the God spark, and she said, “Oh my goodness, I don’t feel connected to God anymore. I don’t know… I’m sad about it. I don’t know what to do, but I don’t feel the same.” As I’ve talked to various people, it seems to be a common thread. I felt it divinely when I put these two products together, and I was having a conversation with some very enlightened healers, and they confirmed this for me.

If you have anybody in your family… if there’s been a disconnection from you with them, or they seem to have lost a connection… I’m not promising anything, but I feel that this is one of the ways to help make that connection come back. That is because the bacteria will be working in your favor; The enzyme will be working in your favor. I talked about playing nicely in the sandbox; they are our friends, bacteria, until we turn them against us. We turn them against us by killing them and thinking that we are safe and protected. That’s the most I can say about all this, but I feel it in my heart.

Ryan Sternagel: I’m glad you shared that too, Heather.

[00:47:49] Nattokinase vs. Natto: No Soy Concerns and Medical-Grade Benefits

Heather Holmes: The question of the day is: “Can you speak to the difference between nattokinase and Natto, the Japanese soy-based food product? And, more specifically: “Is there any soy in this product, and do people with soy concerns need to be worried about taking nattokinase?”

Heather Holmes: Great question. No soy in this natto. I am on board with that because I don’t do any soy either. The soybean is not any different than what this natto is, with the exception that this is medical-grade natto. The way they ferment it, the enzyme, the amount of Bacillus, and so on to create the enzyme for this powder, is medical grade. That’s the difference between the beans and this.

Ryan Sternagel: My understanding is they take the same bacteria, the Bacillus subtilis, and use it to ferment soy, which produces the enzyme.

Heather Holmes: They let them get rotten. They let them get pretty much almost rotten. They don’t taste good. This is a much easier way for you to get natto because the beans are rancid and awful, but you might like them. Personally, I don’t care for them. Sailors discovered this a long time ago because the beans would get rancid, and they would start eating them and notice all sorts of health benefits. When you’re on a ship, there’s not much to eat—that’s how it came about. This powder is very easy to use; it goes in coffee, tea, a smoothie, or whatever, and you don’t have to down those nasty-tasting beans.

Ryan Sternagel: All right. So, no soy concern for people who are concerned with soy?

Heather Holmes: No concern.

Ryan Sternagel: All right, I like it. Lisa, what did Lisa have to say about your product? She said, “I was on it.” Then, personal testimony: “Everything has improved. I’ve been on P2 and all of your products for five months, and my life is different. No more severe allergy reactions, gut issues, breathing improved…” and so on. I can’t wait. I’ve used your stuff for cleaning and things like that, but I should have been more serious about using it for myself. I’m excited—I’ve already been doing a bit of it and will do more. I’m excited for it.

Heather Holmes: Thank you, Lisa.

[00:51:16] Chronic Sinus Issues: Nebulizing Probiotics for Fungal and Bacterial Relief

Heather Holmes: Hey, Ryan, by the way, let’s talk about that sinus for a minute. For people with chronic sinus infections, I highly recommend nebulizing the mouthwash to clean out all the old gunk. Also, keep in mind that if you have a serious sinus issue, it could be fungal and not bacterial. Our probiotics work for both, which is why it’s so effective, even for people with MARCoNS and things like that.

Ryan Sternagel: I appreciate it. When we were talking last week, I think you said you were going to text me the nebulizer you use. You still haven’t.

Heather Holmes: Oh! I forgot. You are correct, sir. I will send that. It does work great in Neti pot too. I saw that it does, but the Neti pot is great for maintenance. I think the nebulizer, initially, if you’ve got serious sinus issues, is the way to go to start loosening some of that old gunk. I’ve been told that for people who have trouble breathing, it’s tough to get out. Oh, and about the ears—spray the Allergy Asthma Sinus Spray into the ears and up the nose, which is what I always do. You can also irrigate the ears with the mouthwash if you are so inclined.

[00:53:09] Continuous Use of Biofilm Disruptors: Frequency, Safety, and Effective Detoxification

Ryan Sternagel: “I’ve heard that taking biofilm disruptors for too long can disrupt healthy bacteria. I have a functional medicine doctor who told me that if you take biofilm disruptors for more than a couple of weeks without breaks, it can be an issue.” I guess that’s why you say to only take this a few times a week? What are your thoughts on the continuous use of biofilm disruptors in general? I know this isn’t just any biofilm disruptor—it’s the best biofilm disruptor—but what are your thoughts on that question, Heather?

Heather Holmes: I’m going to take this back to livestock because that’s where we started 14 or 15 years ago, and it was amazing to see what happened in these animals. They get it in their drinking lines and have for years. Keep in mind that the Bacillus strains are like Switzerland—they’re neutral strains. A lot of people have trouble with different strains of probiotics, may have reactions to them, and may find different results.

When we work with them in livestock, they’re used every day. The milk gets exponentially healthier, the animals get healthier, and the gut length… When we measured turkeys where they had it and didn’t have it, this is with the additive, this is without the additive, and they could see where they ran out. The reason I talk about this is that animals and where they live are filled with biofilm; it’s a cesspool of bad bacteria and things floating through the air and into their drinking lines and everything else.

I will tell you, after years and years of doing this—my dog gets an additive in her water, and she has since she was a baby. I don’t know if you can see her or not, but she’s 11 years old, and she still runs around in circles, pounces, and does all sorts of stuff. I think that’s partly her food as well.

I do not see these as a case where we’re going to blast open the biofilm. Biofilm can be very difficult and hard to get rid of in the body. I direct people to take the additive three times a week and the natto three times a week, unless they have a serious issue. If you have a serious issue, you do need to blast that biofilm. You can’t play around with it. If you’ve had it for a long time, you’re going to have to be serious about getting rid of it. It is going to detoxify—it’s not going to hurt you. It will break up the biofilm before it’s released. All it’s doing is disintegrating and eating the biofilm.

The probiotics act like Pac-Man—they consume food, and the biofilm is food for them. When you put the correct bacteria there, they know intuitively how to act in that environment. They never multiply more than plus or minus 10%. They’re not going to override; they’re not going to do anything to cause harm to your body. They’re beneficial bacteria.

The natto is also based on that fibrinolytic enzyme. I always have people start out slow with it—that’s why three times a week. You can work your way up. I also recommend muscle testing. You’re going to know… in fact, I got a message from somebody who listens to your show, Ryan. He’s using everything and seeing good results, but they went to get muscle tested today, and his wife’s doctor—her functional medicine doctor—said, “We want you to take six times the natto you’re taking right now.” That came out in muscle testing.

Personally, in all the 14 years I’ve been exposed to these products, I have never experienced anything like what you’re discussing. I have a feeling there are other products that don’t get rid of all the biofilm. What’s happening is it’s pitting it, and it could be taking care of part of it while wreaking some havoc in your body as well. That’s a long-winded answer to your question, but I don’t see it as an issue.

Ryan Sternagel: It’s a good one. Lisa is also noting her blood pressure normalized after taking the P2. And then, clarification—you mentioned cholesterol. Are we talking about LDL in particular? Is it going to help with that?

Heather Holmes: I will have to get back to you on that and find that study. I think it talked about cholesterol in general, most of the studies I saw. Let me go ahead and check on that for you. I believe it is, but I don’t want to speak out of turn.

Ryan Sternagel: I would imagine studies talking about improving cholesterol are probably referring to LDL, but very good.

[00:59:50] Finding an Integrative Cardiologist: Recommendations and Notable Experts

Ryan Sternagel: “Any suggestions on finding a great integrative cardiologist?” I’m trying to think if I know any. A million great integrative cancer doctors, but integrative cardiologists… there’s Dr. Joel Kahn who is a cardiologist and a natural guy. I don’t know if he still takes patients or if he’s more of an online presence, but you can look him up: Joel Kahn. I would imagine…

Heather Holmes: Julia said Wolfson, was that right?

Ryan Sternagel: Oh, Jack Wolfson! He would love this webinar. He’s very outspoken, and I can’t believe I didn’t think of good old Dr. Wolfson. He’s known as the paleo cardiologist, I believe. He’s great. If you want a good conspiracy conversation, he’s the guy to go to, for sure.

Heather Holmes: That’s awesome. I want to talk to him.

[01:01:20] Detecting Blood Clots: Key Tests and the Role of Dark Field Microscopy

Ryan Sternagel: “How do you know if you have clots in your body? What tests do you do to see the before and after?” Offhand, you want to check your D-dimer levels and your fibrinogen levels. I think there’s one other that I can’t think of right now. Those are the main ones. If you get those two, you’re probably… I know there’s one other—D-dimer, fibrinogen—and I’m blanking, but unless Heather knows…

Heather Holmes: It’s not popping into my brain right now.

Ryan Sternagel: If you talk to any conventional doctor, they should know the answer to that question, and certainly any integrative or holistic doctor. But D-dimer and fibrinogen will get you on the right track there, for sure.

Heather Holmes: Ryan, we talked about that last time—the blood microscopy…

Ryan Sternagel: The dark field microscopy?

Heather Holmes: Yes, dark field microscopy is a great way to look at the blood and determine if there’s biofilm there too. To me, that’s one of the best ways to know…

Ryan Sternagel: If you really want to know what’s going on in your blood because then it’s taking a live look at your blood. I heard there’s a guy down in Salt Lake who does that. I’ve been meaning to go check him out and see what’s going on with my blood.

Heather Holmes: Go check it. Let’s go look at it after you’ve been on the natto and the blood and digestive products. Let’s go! Before and after.

Ryan Sternagel: That always keeps me from doing healthy things because I think, “I’ve got to go get tested before,” and then I never end up getting tested. So I don’t do the healthy thing I was thinking about doing for a year because I stopped obsessing so much about the before-and-after thing… but we’ll see.

Heather Holmes: Honesty is great. I love it because that’s how this is real. So, there we go.

[01:03:51] Recommended Nattokinase Dosage: 2000 FUs as a Preventative Measure

Ryan Sternagel: “I take 2000 FUs daily as a preventative. Is that a good amount to take?”

Heather Holmes: Perfect.

[01:04:04] Why Choose This Nattokinase: The Benefits of a Medical-Grade Source from South Korea

Ryan Sternagel: However, about your nattokinase… Can you speak to that a bit, Heather? Obviously, people can go out and buy nattokinase; you’re not the only person with a nattokinase product, but I know you put a lot of research into the one you chose and went with and all that.

Heather Holmes: Sure, I did. I sourced for many months—I wanted to make sure I had the best one. The reason I chose the one I did, from South Korea, is because of the people in the company. They have a good medical director. They also sent me a full slide presentation with all their various studies of their medical-grade natto, and that sold it for me. That’s why I did it, and none of the other companies have that. They have the products, and they sell them in bulk all over, but they also wouldn’t do business with me until they knew my background and who I was.

Ryan Sternagel: I was checking them out… I did some snooping and found your supplier. They’ve got a ton of literature out there.

Heather Holmes: Do you see why I chose them?

Ryan Sternagel: Definitely. They have a lot of information on why they’re better than any old supplier of nattokinase; It’s good stuff.

[01:06:06] How Nattokinase Safely Breaks Down Clots and Plaque Without Stroke Risk

Ryan Sternagel: “I recently finished a course of natto and planning on starting another one” Here’s a good follow-up to the first question: “Is there any danger of clots, plaque, or debris going into other areas of the body—more narrow blood vessels—after being broken up, and causing stroke risks, especially if on a natural blood thinner like ginkgo or other? Meaning, does nattokinase work like a natural stent? My mom died from getting a stent; the plaque broke off and went into her brain, causing a blockage and then, subsequently, a brain hemorrhage.” Sorry to hear about that. She was on blood thinners—Plavix, I believe. I guess the question is: “Any chance of a big chunk of a clot breaking up?” I would think if anything’s going to cause a stroke, it’s the clot itself, not the clot breaking up. Any thoughts on that, Heather?

Heather Holmes: You’re right, Ryan. Because I did stents, I can speak to that part. One of the things we do, whether it’s in the heart or another area, is go in with a wire first and then a balloon. The balloon would blow up and push the plaque to the side to create a pathway to put the stent in. You hope that the stent would endothelialize—in other words, that tissue would grow around the stent so it could adapt in the body. The problem is that if you built plaque in the first place, the potential for you to build plaque again is pretty prominent. That would eventually occlude your stents, and unfortunately, they can and do occlude—not in every case, but in a lot of cases. You always run the risk. Let’s say you don’t have good dental health, you get plaque in your mouth, and it breaks off—it can go to your brain or your gut. You always have something going on in your body, and your body can form clots anywhere, which can move and break off. That’s why they worry about people with DVTs, and so on.

Personally, I would take a product like ours without question because if I know I can break up that clot naturally, I have a better chance of it not moving and lodging somewhere else; Same with plaque. Again, when this starts to break down the plaque, it’s breaking it down—it’s not breaking pieces off to float around; That’s not how this technology works. It’s like a ray gun; it’s like vaporization but with probiotics eating it all up.

To answer your question, I hope I did. You have a greater risk of leaving it there and not doing anything than you do taking this. It works for prevention as well, as the prevention of clots.

Ryan Sternagel: This is a very big deal.

[01:10:00] Bacillus Subtilis Survival in Soil and Potential Consumer Soil Additives

Ryan Sternagel: I don’t know if you know the answer to this: “Does Bacillus subtilis die in the soil during the winter freeze, or does it survive?” I know you mentioned the temperature range earlier—I forget what you said there.

Heather Holmes: It will die in the winter.

Ryan Sternagel: In the spring?

Heather Holmes: Yes.

Ryan Sternagel: You should consider, or maybe you already have, a soil additive product.

Heather Holmes: We have that. On our commercial side, we have a high-yield product. Another product gets rid of spider mites, and one gets rid of powdery mildew. The one that gets rid of powdery mildew also acts as a good insecticide and helps things grow. But it’s only on our commercial side right now. If people would like to see it on our consumer side, please raise your hand here, and I’ll consider it.

[01:11:13] Upcoming Probiotic Products: Wound Care, Cleaning Wipes, and Mycotoxin Elimination

Ryan Sternagel: Can people go to your commercial side and buy that stuff?

Heather Holmes: No, not now. I will say soon. There are some changes happening, and they are for the better. That’s all I’m going to say.

Ryan Sternagel: I would love to have this stuff for my garden. I didn’t even think that was a possibility, but make those changes. Make them happen, Heather. Then I’ll do a video about gardening with Heather’s…

Heather Holmes: Probiotics! Here are the areas we’re going to address first: wound care—we’ve already done studies in that. I’m reviving that product for consumers as well as on the healthcare side. Probiotic cleaning wipes, baby wipes… That’s not true. I am coming out with something on the consumer side for growing, but that was slated for a little later. Then we’re going to have something to eliminate mycotoxins from coffee beans.

[01:12:53] Effectiveness of Probiotic Products Against Mold: Internal and Environmental Applications

Ryan Sternagel: “Speaking of mycotoxins, what effect does this product have on mold?” We talked about your P2 cleaning products being good for mold in your environment. How about mold on the inside of your body? Maybe Donna was asking about mold on the inside of your body or on surfaces. Talk about mold, Heather.

Heather Holmes: Moldz: We know molds, fungi, and bacteria can help us, but when they don’t, it’s because they’re living in biofilm. Again, all roads lead back there. We do incredible things with molds.

We’ve had testing by Rutgers’ bioterrorism lab, and in a future session, I can show all that testing. We were 100% effective against Candida auris, the worst form of MRSA, the worst mold—you name it; Fungus, mold, 100% effective, even black mold. We have three years of intense mold data on our commercial side for the cleaning world.

As for the digestive additive, I don’t know that I can speak to mold specifically, but I have every reason to believe if we get rid of the biofilm, we get rid of the mold. Unlike other products, we don’t care what bacteria, mold, or fungus is there; what we care about is what they’re living in, frolicking in, and multiplying in.

Ryan Sternagel: I do love a little bit of blue cheese here and there. Delicious. Thank you, mold. There was a mold spot growing in the crease of my shower the other day, and I sprayed some P2 on it, and it broke right up. It was pretty cool.

[01:15:23] Comparing Spore-Based Probiotics: A Gentler and More Affordable Alternative to MegaSporeBiotic

Ryan Sternagel: A couple of questions on similarities and differences—this is about spore-based or soil-based probiotics. MegaSporeBiotic, obviously, has been preaching the spore-based gospel for quite some time as well: “What are the similarities and differences between that product and what we’re talking about here?”

Heather Holmes: I have great respect for that company. We were first, however; We came out long before they did. I love the studies they’ve done. What I can tell you is we use all the probiotics they use and more. I think those are great products, but again, unless you are dealing with purely live probiotics, you’re dealing with a big difference. I know that MegaSpore products work very well, but they can be very intense on the body and rather expensive. This is an alternative to what they have. I can guarantee that the products are alive when you drink them.

Ryan Sternagel: Nice.

Heather Holmes: It should be more affordable and gentler on your system.

Ryan Sternagel: And you’re way more affordable than the MegaSpore products. Those things are pricey.

Heather Holmes: There’s a reason that functional medicine practitioners have been the ones to prescribe them because they can wreak quite a bit of havoc on your body. You have to regulate them, and find that balance from what I understand.

Ryan Sternagel: A more affordable and gentler approach… see how it feels, see how you feel.

[01:17:56] Probiotics for Candida: Effective Pac-Man Action Without Risk of SIBO

Ryan Sternagel: “If dealing with Candida, is it best to wait until that’s mostly eradicated before taking probiotics to avoid recreating SIBO?”

Heather Holmes: No. I talked about our probiotics being like Pac-Man. The way we know they’re 100% effective against Candida yeast is from a bakery—they were trying to clean with our product, and our probiotics ate up all the yeast, literally every ounce of it that they needed. We know that’s an easy one for our probiotics; they can get rid of yeast pretty quickly. The digestive additive will help you a lot if you’re suffering from that. The other thing is using the skin spray, washing with the body wash, spraying it into your underwear, and using it as a deodorant—it will help you a lot.

[01:19:24] Product Shelf Life and Retail Availability: Long-Lasting Probiotics and Select Store Partnerships

Ryan Sternagel: “What is the shelf life of these products?”

Heather Holmes: We’ve tested up to five years—they have a very long shelf life. Part of our technology is that we keep them “sleeping” until you want to wake them up. You wake them up with water, and that’s how they come alive. For the products you receive, they have a three-year dating on them. That’s pretty standard for the consumer market and the retail market. Even though we’re not on Amazon—I took everything off of Amazon. I’m not on Walmart either. I won’t go in there; it’s my principles.

Ryan Sternagel: It’s good to stay online for a lot of reasons. You’re able to give a better cost to people, all that stuff. Do you have a physical store? If you’re not in Walmart, is there a physical… Are you selling out of your camper?

Heather Holmes: I’m selling out of my camper, yes. This is the P2 mobile camp! [laughs] That’s not a bad idea; I should drive around in a camper selling. One of our best stores is Nature’s Garden in Naples, Florida. Go see Tony there if you happen to be in the Florida area. Also, Chestertown Foods in Maryland and Abner’s Nutrition in Texas. Functional medicine physicians sell our products across the country.

[01:21:38] Global Shipping Solutions: Upfront Costs for International Customers

Heather Holmes: Somebody asked about Canada—we do ship to Canada. We ship all over the world. Someone also asked about customs, and I know VAT and all that has been an issue. We’ve been working diligently for months implementing new shipping programs that let you see all the costs upfront, so you can decide if you can handle the shipping charges or not. That’s going to be available for every country.

Ryan Sternagel: Very good. I’m glad you ship everywhere. It’s always disappointing for a lot of people, including me, when we do a webinar and then get the shipping question, and it’s like, “Hey, you’re out of luck if you’re not in the U.S.” Very good

The mouthwash—people should be nebulizing that for sinus stuff, correct?

Heather Holmes: Correct.

[01:22:51] Mouthwash Use: Spit Out Plaque, Swallowing Small Amounts Is Safe

Ryan Sternagel: “Can you swallow the mouthwash?”

Heather Holmes: You can, but let’s talk about this for a second. Since we’re talking about plaque and dissolving plaque, when you’re using the mouthwash after you brush and swish it around, I like people to spit it out. If you swallow some, that’s perfectly fine, but I don’t want you swallowing what you’ve swished around in your mouth.

Ryan Sternagel: Makes a lot of sense.

[01:23:38] Support for Long COVID Symptoms: Immune Fortification and Inflammation Reduction

Ryan Sternagel: “Would this be helpful for those who have had long COVID and feel long-term symptoms from it to clear it? Or is it only for those who got the injection?” I mean, non-injection-related COVID-type stuff—would it be helpful for those types of people?

Heather Holmes: Absolutely.

Ryan Sternagel: I think if we’re talking about spike protein, that’s in the thing itself… whatever.

Heather Holmes: The fortification of your immune system with this stuff, the detoxification, the reduction in inflammation—all of those things are important. That’s why, for purposes of this webinar, I wanted you to know the ins and outs of it all and how it relates to different health issues. Because, at the end of the day, 70% of us walk around with some sort of autoimmune disease. We’re looking for solutions and answers, and this isn’t just for people with issues. As I mentioned, this is for people who want to stay well, and who want to work something into their routine for their blood health and gut health. If you’re aging, as this helps with Alzheimer’s, it’s probably a good preventative measure for that as well.

[01:25:31] Biofilms and Mineral Absorption: Probiotics Support Beneficial Mineral Uptake

Ryan Sternagel: When you’re talking about the mineral aspect and biofilms binding to minerals, the question is: “Does this product bind beneficial minerals? Does the biofilm bind them, giving us a functional deficiency?” If you have a biofilm, is it likely to be robbing you of minerals? There was also the question about whether this product binds beneficial minerals. I’m guessing the answer is no there.

Heather Holmes: The first part is that when you have a biofilm, studies show it will hijack your minerals. If you don’t have biofilm there, it’s not going to hijack your minerals. Does that make sense? The probiotics will enhance the absorption of minerals, if you’re taking minerals. Like if I drink Fiji water with a bunch of minerals in it, my body is going to soak it in, and the probiotics will help them function in the body. They’re not going to use it against you; The bad ones will, but the good ones won’t.

[01:27:13] Using Probiotic Mouthwash and Skin Spray for Eyelid Infections and Styes

Ryan Sternagel: “Which product can be sprayed on eyelids to combat stayph aureus and Bacillus oleronius?”

Heather Holmes: Easy for you to say! What I do is clean my eyes and remove residual eye makeup with the mouthwash, and I go along my waterline and everything. The first thing I would say is to start with the mouthwash on a Q-tip or a cotton ball. Press it into the eyelid where you have the issue—I’m presuming it’s on the eyelid. And yes, the mouthwash will help with styes too. You want to press that in there and then take the skin spray and spray that on there as well. I recommend a two-pronged approach, but try the mouthwash first; it may take care of it by itself.

[01:28:25] Probiotics and Enzymes: Supporting the Body’s Defense Against Environmental Toxins

Ryan Sternagel: There was a two-part question about whether this will help with mycotoxins. We already talked about mold, mycotoxins, and so on, internally. The second part was about environmental toxins—glyphosate, BPA, perchlorate, and so on: “Will the bacteria and/or the enzyme do anything to help with all the fine chemicals that we’re exposed to?”

Heather Holmes: Judging from the studies I’ve been reading recently, I have reason to believe it will help with those things. But let’s put it this way—when it comes to glyphosate and other toxins, I don’t know that it will directly get rid of them, but what it can do is form a barrier by boosting your immune system. The probiotics act as a barrier in your environment, and they can only help.

Ryan Sternagel: Certainly only going to help, that’s for sure.

Heather Holmes: They can only help. I’m looking for a nebulizer for you, by the way.

[01:30:11] Herxheimer Reactions: Potential Detox Symptoms and the Importance of Patience

Heather Holmes: I saw a question on Hexeimer response. Every person is different. I’m not going to say it’s not possible. Depending on how your body reacts, there are people who are sensitive to everything under the sun and can use our products, but then there are people who are sensitive to everything and may have a reaction. It’s rare, but I would say you have to give these products time. You have to let them work for you. If they’re detoxing something, you certainly could get a reaction. As I said, it’s going to bring things out through your pores and skin, which is one of the ways your body excretes. Our skin is the largest organ we have.

Ryan Sternagel: This is true.

[01:31:52] Organic Sourcing: Ensuring Purity and Ethical Ingredients in Probiotic Products

Ryan Sternagel: What is this in regard to: Tatiana asked, “But who said organic is safe?” Donna said, “Need to know where the organics are coming from.” It’s got to be related to something you mentioned about organic at around 12:14, approximately…

Heather Holmes: I don’t think I said anything about organic today, but I’ll go ahead and address it anyway. All of our ingredients are organic and naturally sourced. Whether it’s our glycerin, spearmint, vanilla, or coconut surfactant, everything we have is not only ethically sourced, but it’s organic and natural. We are not going to go through the rigmarole of non-GMO certification—all that stuff; To us, it’s a racket. We are very comfortable saying that all of our ingredients are organic and natural. I’ll give you an example. My aunt is certified in essential oils; she went to college and so forth. When we were starting this business, we went to her, and there are only three essential oils that don’t kill probiotics: spearmint, vanilla, and mandarin orange; All the others will kill probiotics.

She was an absolute stickler for where we source these things, and to this day, those farms and places where we get these things are certified organic, and they’re as pure as we can get them. I’ve said this before—if you use any of our products, the smell… there’s no lingering smell from anything we have, and they all have some essential oil in them, whether it’s spearmint, vanilla, or mandarin orange. If an essential oil lingers for a long time, it’s not pure.

Remember that: if the smell is lingering, it’s not pure. That’s always a good litmus test to determine whether something is pure in that area.

Ryan Sternagel: I like it.

[01:35:09] Best Practices for Taking Natto and Probiotic Products: Timing and Practical Usage

Ryan Sternagel: I’m going to jam in a couple more here before we have to go: “Can you talk a bit about the practicality—the day-to-day usage of it? Morning, night, with food, without food, all that good stuff?”

Heather Holmes: Natto is better on an empty stomach. I would probably take the digestive…

Ryan Sternagel: Probably to break down your food instead of your clots and stuff, right?

Heather Holmes: Yeah. For the gut product, you can take it any time; it will be beneficial even if you have an upset stomach. It works fast, really fast. I happen to be allergic to garlic—if I can smell it, I can’t eat it. If I have something (and the same with Parmesan Romano; weird food allergies), but if I’m told it’s not in there and it is, that’s the first thing I grab to settle my stomach.

[01:36:35] Weaning Off Blood Thinners: A Gradual Approach with Nattokinase

Ryan Sternagel: Anything more you can elaborate on for folks currently on blood thinners? You mentioned working with a doctor who knows what they’re talking about, that drugs aren’t always the answer, and that you can replace them with other things. You mentioned going low and slow. There are a few more questions about blood thinner considerations. I don’t know if you have anything else to add.

Heather Holmes: Ideally, I’d love to get everybody off of their pharmaceutical blood thinner. Normally, what I suggest is in the first week, use the natto two times—maybe go three days on your blood thinner, then put the natto in there, and then go two days with the blood thinner and add the natto in. The next week, reverse it—do natto three times and your blood thinner four times.

In the third week, increase the natto to five times and your blood thinner twice. By the time the fourth week comes around, you’re fully on the natto and weaned off of the blood thinner. That’s usually the way I suggest it. I also mentioned doing the same with blood pressure medication if you’re looking to get off of that. If you’re on multiple blood pressure medications, it probably has something to do with your kidney or creatinine level, which we have to watch.

When you’re on three blood pressure medications, I honestly don’t want to touch that; There’s a more serious issue going on there. If you’re on one blood thinner or one blood pressure medication, I feel more comfortable speaking about weaning you off that, but any more than that, you’ll need to consult your physician. I don’t feel comfortable advising beyond that.

[01:39:17] Timing Binders with Probiotics and Nattokinase: Considerations for Toxin Release

Ryan Sternagel: Interesting consideration: “Should we take binders, or might it be a good idea to take binders with these to mop up the toxins released when the biofilm is disrupted?” I wouldn’t want to take the binder right with it because I’d be concerned about binding the good stuff.

Heather Holmes: I would not take them together; Not at all.

Ryan Sternagel: Potentially a couple of hours afterward, something like that?

Heather Holmes: I don’t know—I don’t even want to speak to this because, as I think about it, it’s not like the products stop working after a couple of hours. Our probiotics have a cumulative effect, so they’re going to keep working. The natto will work throughout the day—12 hours or whatever. I don’t know that I would take a binder; I don’t know what the reaction would be. I would have to look at studies to see if there’s anything on that. I’ve never had that question before.

Again, it would be one of those things where I would probably caution against that at this point so that you allow the products to work. I can fully understand the concern when toxins are being released, but I believe they’re released in a way that will be carried out through the bloodstream and eliminated. But again, I’m not a doctor.

Ryan Sternagel: As a general rule of thumb, when I do binders, it’s the very last thing I do before going to sleep because then it’s spaced furthest out from anything else. I’ve heard people suggest that as well because your liver dumps bile at two in the morning or something like that. If you’ve got the binder in there, it can mop up and help avoid reabsorption through the colon, especially if you have a leaky gut—that sort of thing. That’s probably the best time to take them if you’re going to take them, but it’s an interesting thought.

Heather Holmes: Definitely something to think about.

[01:41:47] Recommended Usage of Digestive Additive and Nattokinase: Frequency and Dosage

Heather Holmes: Somebody asked a question I want to make sure we address. I recommend the digestive additive three times a week. If you feel that you have serious gut issues, then by all means, take it five to seven days a week—it’s not going to hurt you. For natto, for prophylactic use or to stay well, three times a week. If you’re concerned about clotting or something similar, you can take it every day comfortably or maybe up it to five days a week.

The spoon that comes with this is one-32nd of a teaspoon—that’s 4,000 FUs. Between 2,000 and 4,000 FUs is kind of the regular prevention amount, so it’s up to you whether you do half of the little spoon or a full spoon, but know that’s the size of it.

Ryan Sternagel: Very good.

Heather Holmes: Wow, great questions! I’m so impressed with everybody here. Thank you—this is so great. Thank you, thank you.

[01:43:10] Working and Following up with Heather Holmes

Ryan Sternagel: Heather, for repurposing podcasts purposes, let’s let folks know anything… obviously, I’ll put the link here one more time, everybody. Let us know the website. Do you do social media stuff? Anything and everything you want the world to know about your adventures, what you’ve got coming up—all that good stuff.

Heather Holmes: I’ll be honest. We’re not the best at social media—we probably need to get a lot better there. With Facebook… I’m not a big fan and don’t do it personally, but I would say, start watching us on… what’s it called now? What’s Twitter called now? X. We’ll start doing some more stuff there, especially now that we can post videos. That would be great. We’re under P2 Probiotics on there.

I do go on various podcasts. I love Ryan’s because here, I get to interact with you all, which I don’t normally get to do when I go on Zoom interviews—it’s just the interview, and that’s it. This is definitely a treat for me. Thank you for having me, Ryan; it’s been awesome.

Ryan Sternagel: This has been a fun little two-part series, Heather. We’ll have to keep it going down the road.

[01:45:07] New Developments and Future Products: Wound Care and the Importance of Biofilm Research

Heather Holmes: We have new stuff coming out, and we’re always working on our technology too. Probably one of the things I’d come back to talk about at some point is the wound care we’re relaunching. That’s an important topic because there are so many people out there with wounds. Unfortunately, once the wound is there, our home healthcare system is responsible for taking care of these things, and it’s a losing battle.

Our goal in every product we put out or anything we do is to help people and find important solutions that go to the source of the problem. All roads, no matter what we’re doing—whether it’s a plant or anything else—lead back to biofilm. It’s an important topic, and you all teach me too with your questions. I’m going to do a little research for you, and maybe you can put it out. I want to know more about the binders, so I’ll look into that.

Ryan Sternagel: An interesting consideration. Oh, did you ever find the nebulizer?

Heather Holmes: I texted it to you. I don’t know if you can pull it up here.

Ryan Sternagel: I turned my phone off and left it.

Heather Holmes: What if I email it to you, Ryan? Would you be able to get it up here?

Ryan Sternagel: Can you tell me the name of it? You said it’s on Amazon.

Heather Holmes: I’ll email it to you. Let me go back to Amazon. I’ll copy the link and email it to you right now. All right—composing to Ryan at the Stern Method. Nebulizer… copy, and boom. I sent it to you. Isn’t technology great? All right, everybody, this has been a good one.

Ryan Sternagel: All right, everybody. Thank you, Heather. Thanks, everyone.

Heather Holmes: Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, everybody. Lots of love. See you next time. Thank you.