[00:00:00] Aminos, Fasting, and Daily Hydration Practices

[00:01:38] Latest and Greatest: The Pillars of Health and the Power of Peace in Wellness

[00:05:45] A Journey Through Health Struggles, Personal Growth, and Resilience

[00:10:57] Hydration, Minerals, and Structured Water in Athletic Performance

[00:12:26] Understanding Structured Water: Nature’s Influence and the Balance Between Harmony and Chaos

[00:15:58] The Influence of Intent and Memory on Water: Exploring Emoto’s Work and Beyond

[00:18:39] Navigating Censorship and Building Authentic Communities for Health Information

[00:23:22] Living Water: Consciousness, Vortex Structuring, and True Hydration

[00:27:47] Structured Water, Cellular Hydration, and the Science of Absorption

[00:33:30] Shifting Focus: How Water Feels vs. How It Tastes

[00:35:26] Understanding H2O, H3O2, and the Ever-Changing Nature of Water

[00:41:06] The Science and Intuition Behind H3O2 and Hydration

[00:44:56] Harnessing Negative Ions: Vortexes, Life Force, and Vibrational Health

[00:51:32] Why Blenders Aren’t the Solution for Structured Water

[00:54:33] The Three Essential Questions for Choosing the Ideal Water

[00:57:13] Scaling the Aqua Energizer: Enhancing Production While Preserving Energy Quality

[01:00:23] Connecting Aqua Energizers and Cosmic Towers: Complementary Water Structuring Technologies

[01:03:01] Choosing Between the Aqua Energizer and Cosmic Tower: Resonance, Science, and Personal Preference

[01:11:32] The Cosmic Tower: Harmonizing Your Environment and Enhancing Daily Life

[01:15:17] The Challenges of Whole-Home Water Filtration: Insights and Alternatives

[01:21:36] Transparency Matters: Comparing Aqua Energizer to Spring Aqua

[01:23:17] Exploring Distillers: Water Purity, Aging, and the Value of Quality

[01:29:47] Evaluating Water Systems: Questions of Quality and the Three-Day Test

[01:32:27] Choosing Between Glass and Plastic: Practicality and Personal Preference

[01:34:33] Key Questions to Evaluate Whole-House Water Filtration Systems

[01:36:50] Why Reverse Osmosis May Not Be the Best Choice: Exploring Alternatives

[01:39:34] Understanding Water Solutions: Filters, Structuring, and the Importance of Energy

[01:42:58] Enhancing RO Water: Testing Structuring and Personalized Solutions

[01:45:07] Hydrogen Water, Structured Solutions, and a Heartfelt Conclusion

[00:00:00] Aminos, Fasting, and Daily Hydration Practices

Ryan Sternagel: What are you drinking out of your big jar there, Patrick?

Patrick Durkin: That is called Fortigen. It’s an amino acid that lets me extend my intermittent fasting to later in the day but gives me something to work on. It’s a pre-protein thing. It’s very light on the body and helps me build muscle, stay healthy, and intermittent fast.

Ryan Sternagel: Aminos are a good hack for that. Or if you’re trying to work out in the morning and you feel like you should be getting the big scoop of protein or whatever, and you don’t want to break the fast, then do some aminos; It’s a good compromise—or probably even better. I think aminos are better for workout muscle-building type stuff than, say, your standard scoop of protein.

Patrick Durkin: I do a lot of it. But I start the day with water, go as far as I can, and then I go into some teas, different herbs, and then the aminos. It makes it pretty easy to make it to between two and four o’clock without solid food.

Ryan Sternagel: It sounds like we’re on the same page—although I’ve definitely had solid food today, and it’s five o’clock now. The water, then graduating to the tea—we’re on the same page. 

[00:01:38] Latest and Greatest: The Pillars of Health and the Power of Peace in Wellness

Ryan Sternagel: Patrick, the traditional first question for you as folks are logging on: not allowed to talk about structured water or subtle energy-type stuff. What else have you been doing to stay healthy these days? Any new implementations to your life and wellness routine that you’re happy with?

Patrick Durkin: This year, I’d say it’s been focusing on the way I think. Today’s the last day of Nico Martin spending five weeks in my home. Nico is a tremendous mentor for me, and he has embodied living from the heart. This year’s big lesson has been about the way I think positive thoughts. I try to be a nice person, and it’s all been head-based; I think I’m being nice, but then the feelings underneath are unresolved, and there’s conflict. When I try to get away with that with Nico, he’s like, “But what are you feeling?” He’s kept driving me to my heart and to feeling presence. Inside of that, combined with some care for an elderly friend, there’s been an emergence of some unconditional love, presence, and feeling, and it’s been amazing.

I think that health is—I like to think of it in four pillars. There’s what you eat (your nutrition), there’s what you drink (your hydration), there’s how you move, and then there’s your sense of peace. The sense of peace is the way I think and how I behave. That’s been the piece that’s been changing the most this year and is top of mind and poignant for me.

Ryan Sternagel: Some people say that’s important.

Patrick Durkin: I’ve gotten a lot of lessons on that, and none more poignant than the last 15 days. I basically went into an elderly friend’s home and took care of her for 15 days. She’s been a friend for a decade. She’s an amazing person. We thought she was going to die last week; It was intense. Inside of that, I had a lot of bad choices for my diet. I was in her home, and her friends were bringing food, and there was wheat and dairy and lower-quality meat coming through the door. I was consuming all of it; I was still fine. The piece of caretaking my friend was more important than the nutrition and the hydration and everything else that I wasn’t doing. I’ve seen lessons like that very often over the years. I think that the peace pillar, when tended to and brought to peace, is more important than all the others.

Ryan Sternagel: I would tend to agree, even from an active disease reversal type situation. People take that too far and think they’re gonna meditate their stage four cancer away or whatever, which—I suppose you should probably do all the things and not put your eggs in one basket. I’ve been on kicks with audiobooks or podcasts or whatever that I’m listening to. Right now, it’s a “how you think” kick and trying to implement all that stuff—not just listen to an audiobook and pat yourself on the back for it.

[00:05:45] A Journey Through Health Struggles, Personal Growth, and Resilience

Patrick Durkin: I’m glad we’re starting here because there’s a theme I wanted to make sure we talked about, and I’m going to throw it out there while we’re in this part of the conversation. In reflecting and getting ready for this presentation, I was thinking about how my health has been in this lifetime, and some memories of childhood came up. In childhood, my mom wrote an alternative foods and natural health foods book in 1975. I was born in 1969, and that book was a response to try and help me be healthy. She didn’t know how to get this young boy to be healthy, and with wheat allergies, dairy allergies, and environmental allergies, she had a pretty good challenge on her hands. One of the things she did was take me every week during my elementary school years to a doctor who would inject my arm with a shot to help me with my allergies. I can’t even imagine what was in that stuff.

Then I seemed to get away with my unhealthiness from 10 to 30. It was at 30 that I was all about money, all about competition, all about getting my share for my family—this egocentric expression of life, this consciousness that wanted a Porsche and a big house and all that stuff. I was a stockbroker. The first month I got out of training, a fax came out to vote for the region, and it ranked the 34 stockbrokers; I was 34th. I took it, pinned it on the wall, and wrote: “33 to go.” That’s who I was. Inside of that, at age 30, youthfulness was starting to fade into the rearview mirror, and the parts of me that were unhealthy were starting to take over.

My thirties were marked by irritable bowel syndrome, an awful, stressful marriage that lasted 13 years and produced four amazing kids I have great relationships with now, but there were some tough, grinding years in there. A horrendous divorce that lasted way too long, combined with a career change. The month Lehman Brothers went bankrupt, I was responsible for the investment policy for our firm, and that was the same month my divorce was final; Disaster—2008 disaster. That’s when I like to think I was born, in 2008, because that was when the shell of that hard guy cracked so thoroughly that I was out of my head with rage for a year. That rage caused a birthing, and that guy now is 16 and has learned a lot of things and softened in a lot of ways. But in between the transition from the irritable bowel years, 30 to 38, I somehow slipped into Lyme, and I don’t even know what year that was. But I know from the age of 31 to the age of 51, I couldn’t play tennis. Being competitive was an important part of that guy, and I won a local club championship in tennis when I was 31. I did it so intensely that I ground my knees into so much pain that they didn’t come back. Then at 51, when I cleared the Lyme and got healthy again, I was able to get back on the court, discover pickleball, and two years later compete in my first pickleball tournament—and I won that. I had a 22-year break between real competitions, but the pickleball competition was totally different. I was a different guy in that.

The number of things I’ve had to encounter health-wise in the soft tissue, soft pain—not hard pain, not cancer—but yes, I had to learn how to throw a football with a spiral with my left hand. I have four kids, and two of them are boys, playing catch is one of those things you do with young boys. I wasn’t able to do that with my right arm, so I learned how to do it with my left. All of these experiences and all of that health stuff have caused me to constantly be chewing at the edge of life, trying to figure out how this life works. As we have this interview today, I wanted to share with people some of that pain I went through so they understand how that pain drove me to ask questions that if they were more comfortable, wouldn’t be asking. That has helped me take myself to another level.

[00:10:57] Hydration, Minerals, and Structured Water in Athletic Performance

Ryan Sternagel: It was structured water that helped you win that tournament at 51, wasn’t it, Patrick?

Patrick Durkin: That was a big part.

Ryan Sternagel: Half in jest and half—well, that is what we’re here to talk about today. I’m sure it did help you.

Patrick Durkin: Without hydration, how do you go anywhere? It was during that period that I discovered the minerals because, at 51, I would get depleted. I started— instead of taking a couple of drops of fulvic magnesium and putting it in my water, I started taking the bottle to the pickleball court. When games got intense, I would, between games, drink right out of the bottle of fulvic magnesium. I’ve got to tell you, it doesn’t taste very good. You’ve got to line up a lot of pieces to be vibrant and healthy; The structured water was a factor in that. That tournament was in North Carolina, and it was hot. People who were 10 and 15 years younger than me were struggling with their level of fitness and vitality. It was important for me to keep up.

Ryan Sternagel: That’s funny. As we sit here talking about structured water and humic fulvic—that’s what this is, structured water and humic fulvic. I shouldn’t drink while I try to talk at the same time, though.

[00:12:26] Understanding Structured Water: Nature’s Influence and the Balance Between Harmony and Chaos

Ryan Sternagel: It’s something we’ve already started talking about, but did you have an entry point in mind for how to go about discussing structured water and the subtle energy aspect to all of it, and all that fun stuff?

Patrick Durkin: It’s an emerging niche right now, this structured water thing. What most industries seek to do is make themselves look special. People in the structured water industry are like, “Hey, you’ve got to get structured water to be okay”—like the people in the alkaline water industry and the people in the hydrogen water industry. I don’t consider myself in a sub-niche; I consider myself an advocate for my own health and vitality on behalf of everyone. I am willing to trade technologies, trade behaviors, trade beliefs; I’ll trade in anything that makes me feel better. I don’t think my opinion and my experience about what makes me feel better is relevant compared to what happens if I take an idea, or an inspiration, and I share it with others. If they begin to incorporate it in their lives, and then they bring me feedback, and if their lives are improved—now I’ve got something worth talking about.

Structured water, I think, is a bit of a misnomer because it makes it sound like there’s only one type of water that’s structured, and it’s not true. After leaning into this for 12 years, I would suggest that all water is structured. There’s no such thing as structured water; Structured water is simply the order in water. The structured water my industry is referring to is the structured water that’s like nature. It’s like the waterfalls here on Maui; That water is beautifully structured, and I will drink right out of the river in Maui and have done so for many months, and I am very healthy while doing that. That’s the version we’re mimicking.

The thing I think people don’t understand is that your water is structured. The question is, was it structured consciously or unconsciously? Unconscious structured water is structured by 5G. We’ve all got 5G influencing our water. The question is, do you have something harmonious that’s stronger and more powerful than that, creating the overall feeling of your water? Or is 5G the strongest influence? What’s the strongest sound in the room? What’s the strongest vibration? I would suggest that we want to look at nature and the way nature moves water and the hydrological cycle, which we see uses sacred geometry, like shape and rock and movement. Basically, water rolls on itself through the earth, and then it also evaporates and goes through that part of the cycle. I’ve been learning this year how that’s like distilling water, going from here into another state, leaving behind, clearing its memory, and then coming back through. The line that I draw for structuring, and the one that I think kicks the conversation off, is harmony or chaos. What is my structure? We start the conversation there.

[00:15:58] The Influence of Intent and Memory on Water: Exploring Emoto’s Work and Beyond

Ryan Sternagel: Yes, that’s a good place to start. You talked about 5G; Is it the 5G structuring your water, or is it something more intentional and conscious and harmonious, with sacred geometry and all that? And this gets into water retaining memory, water being imprinted by various things. I’m sure we’ve all heard of, or at least most people have heard of, the Emoto studies, flash-freezing the water. If you say “I love you,” then it’s nice, beautiful shapes, sacred geometry shapes. If you say “I hate you,” then it’s not those beautiful shapes. What else do you like to talk about in terms of ways we can observe this and think about it as a real thing versus Ryan and Patrick talking about some “woo” energy stuff?

Patrick Durkin: I’m glad you brought that one up because the Emoto theme has been significant for me in the wellness enterprise. Go back to 1997 or something around there. I’m only three years into being a financial advisor. For some unknown reason, I end up at an alternative health event and somebody’s selling cards with crystal photographs from Dr. Emoto on their table. I picked a deck up and gave it to my mom for Christmas. I had no idea what I had done or that it would become a factor later in my life. Then, when this business started, Dr. Emoto’s book The Hidden Messages in Water—it’s his best-known book and a New York Times bestseller, not the little Amazon bestseller like everybody gets these days (heck, I even got that for my book), we’re talking about a New York Times bestseller—it’s a big deal, and there have been millions and millions of copies. There was a year or two early in the wellness enterprise where I would send out a copy of that book with every order we had. It’s important information. Dr. Emoto had this theory that water droplets are like snowflakes, that each one of them is different, and that they’re subjected to environmental influences. I love that topic. It brings up another subtopic—it’s a little bit of a tangent, but I’m going to leave it in here for us, I think it’s important.

[00:18:39] Navigating Censorship and Building Authentic Communities for Health Information

Patrick Durkin: It has to do with appreciation for the community you’ve created and what’s going on out there in censorship and information flow. The way you’ve created a private community to speak to is important to me because it opens freedom, and so does your family’s journey with it. With health and the cutting-edge information that you’ve had, and the freedom you have to speak about that, it has to do with the structure you’ve set up, and you’ve got a good following from that.

What’s happening right now is that for years, approximately 60% of the traffic that has come to my website, wellnessenterprise.com, my website, has come from the keyword “Emoto.” People go into Google, they type in “Emoto,” and it’s been alternating for years. The first result is either my website or Wikipedia. We’ve been one-two for a whole bunch of time. I’ve noticed over the last year and a half that, for very technical reasons, Google keeps knocking us out of that slot. Then we see why they knocked us out, and then we have to go fix it. Then we get ourselves back into that slot. When I checked this week, we’re 10th on the results for that.

I’m noticing that when I Google something, it’s getting harder and harder to find an authentic result in the information. What’s happening is the top 10 results are now versions of the same story given by websites that look awfully similar, and now the first one is AI. I think the way we’re going to change information in the future is in relationships like you and I have. That’s why your community is important to me. There’s been a great coincidence in the timing of meeting you and the way you have your community, and that’s also important to the offer we’re able to offer your community. Your community got the best offer we’ve ever had last year, and they’re getting it again this year, and in between, nobody else got it.

That was not my plan, but I’ll tell you a little bit more about how that unfolded because it’s relevant.

There are themes like the water crystals with Emoto, where that story is being censored out of the internet results, and that makes it even more important that people like you and me get together and speak what we experience as our truth, and we share that with others who are interested in exploring that type of thing because we’re not going to be given a fair shake to rank at the top of Google anymore; Those days are over.

That’s an important part of how I built this company—on the backs of the search engine results. We have hundreds of videos on YouTube, and there was a time, it was a while back, six or seven years ago, when we were getting 18,000 views a month; That was our peak. It went from 3,000 views a month to 18,000 views in a year. We were on a trajectory to have a big YouTube channel. Then our results started to fall out of the top 10. We were only getting views from our referral partners and not from the search results on YouTube and Google.

Ryan Sternagel: I was thinking—we noticed the same thing. Of course, everyone’s noticed the same thing. I think they started with cancer and probably other stuff, but we noticed it with cancer. We didn’t know what we were doing; We started a website to document everything we were learning with our son. I started a podcast, and all of a sudden, I think we were getting like 50,000 to 75,000 views a month on our website, no clue what we were doing.

We weren’t even trying to make money or anything like that, just putting information out there. Then the same thing happened, it went down the tubes. I realized, though, Patrick, you mentioned the top 10 websites that all sound the same. It’s like Verywell Health and Verywell Good and Well—this and that. Your website sounds like one of those—the Wellness Enterprise.

[00:23:22] Living Water: Consciousness, Vortex Structuring, and True Hydration

Ryan Sternagel: That being said, there’s the moto stuff. I’ve made that one of my little routines. As I’m pouring water, whether it’s through Aqua Energizer water structure or pouring it out of a pitcher or whatever, I’ll smile at the water and think nice thoughts at the water because I figure it’s probably doing some good things.

But then, with the Aqua Energizer structuring device, now we’re talking about a physical device, right? The water is running through a vortex of some kind—I don’t know if that’s the term you use for it or not—but something more physical is happening, right? You pour it into one side, and it comes out the other side structured. That’s the whole water-flowing-through-the-river concept; It’s flowing through the river, picking up that energetic charge and life force and so on versus water that’s been sitting in pipes and cisterns, which has lost that life force energy.

How do those two conversations coalesce? We started off talking about the consciousness aspect, but then I brought up the more physical, device-type thing.

Patrick Durkin: This is a big conversation. This has to do with the conversation about living water. When I was a financial advisor, I remember the day I gave myself a Porsche for my birthday with my initials on the license plate; That was like a dream manifested. That day, I woke up with fear in my heart. The day I went to get it, I wore a suit, and I had sweaty pits—it wasn’t like I was comfortable, it was like I was wealthy. That guy had a whole set of ways of expressing consciousness that I would, from this standpoint, say, gosh, he was pretty unconscious.

It was the day that I traded that Porsche for a used Honda minivan, post-divorce, so that my four kids could be comfortable sitting in the car—that was the day I had a tear of happiness in my eye for being a great father. It’s the journey with water that has been the stairway that has carried me to my dreams of living a fulfilling life.

My feeling of being my being now is that every day is another great opportunity given to me by the Creator. If I wake up, I care, and there’s an opportunity to be present with whatever comes my way. I don’t get rattled anymore, I don’t feel guilt, and I don’t feel worried—I think, what’s up next? What’s a good response to that with thoughtfulness? Then we roll into the next thing. I would suggest that living water, this conscious water that comes from being structured by harmony through a vortex and with sacred geometry, is the water that was designed for our being to run on.

We have people going off and drinking coffee and juice thinking, it’s 90 or 95% water. I’ve been through journeys with each one of those beverages, and I’ve discovered that, in this body, coffee, and even some types of tea, like green tea in particular, are dehydrating. I feel myself get dehydrated when I drink those.

Ryan Sternagel: You can tell, but I’ve been thinking about that a lot lately. Not that I drink a lot of coffee, or even, for people to drink soda or whatever, you would think that it’s at least somewhat hydrating, but it’s not.

[00:27:47] Structured Water, Cellular Hydration, and the Science of Absorption

Patrick Durkin: If you watch some of the doctors leading the movement for understanding—not the MDs who are stuck in the system, but the ones who have broken out of the system and formed their own businesses, or even given up their medical licenses so they can speak what’s on their heart; Guys like Zach Bush—they’ll tell you 100% of us are dehydrated. We’re dehydrated because most of us have a strong influence from those types of alternative beverages, thinking they’re water. Then the ones who are drinking water—many of them are drinking just filtered water or just bottled water; Neither one of those is a full solution.

What our bodies run on is electricity. The difference between a human being who is alive and, in the next moment, is not, is the electric charge. The biology of that person is still the same the moment after they die as it was the moment they were alive, but the electric component has left.

If you look at measurements of diseases like cancer, those happen when people’s millivolts go down to the point that they don’t have enough charge in their bodies. It turns out this structured water we’re talking about—the harmonized version, the type like our Aqua Energizers—has been certified, using the methodology discovered by Dr. Gerald Pollack, to be producers of H3O2. They create something different than H2O, and that version moves through an aquaporin channel that sucks water into cells. It’s getting the water into the cells that is so important.

This is why I thought my aunt, who I was taking care of last week, was going to die. I would give her this much water (I’ve got my fingers an inch apart for people listening to audio), then she’d put out four inches of water—one in, four out. I was like, “God, her cells are losing their water.” It was like her body had decided it was going to die. It’s the negative charge that pulls water into cells; You don’t get that from coffee.

If you notice, there’s intracellular and extracellular hydration. When people drink those other beverages, you pee the water out. Another way to know you’re drinking things that aren’t hydrating for you is if you’ve ever done something like a big workout and then drank a lot of water, and it feels like a load in your gut. It feels like a load in your gut because it’s not absorbing.

Structured water, the type we’re talking about, has the opposite experience—it’s so effective. This was one of my big learnings back when I started the business in 2013. I started sending out these devices made from PVC, and a couple of people used them and said, “Your device is awful. It’s causing me to… it’s leaching heavy metals into my body.” I thought, “What did I do? How could that be possible?” I’d sold a device made from PVC, and they’re saying it’s leaching metals into their body. These people’s experiences were important to me.

Over time, different healthcare practitioners and naturopaths came to me to help me understand what had happened. When you put structured water in your mouth, it absorbs right away. You don’t get that lump in your gut from drinking structured water. I can’t get that lump in my gut from drinking structured water because it absorbs into the tissues, including your tongue and cheeks, right away.

What I learned was happening with those people who were experiencing heavy metals was that they had heavy metal issues. The water was pulling that onto their taste buds because it was immediately starting to detoxify them and rid their body. It’s the negatively charged, negative-ion-rich water that our body runs on. That’s the beverage we have to put through our body to allow the detoxification system to work well.

Ryan Sternagel: That’s one of the big things for me—the idea that anything happens when I run the water through this thing. For people who come to my house, or even the plot, I put one of your units in line so that it would come out of our spigot. But then I still have the handheld one. I can’t help myself; I still run it through the handheld too. The plumber was asking me what this was for and trying to explain it to him and all that.

I think that’s one of the big “rubber meets the road” things—you can feel the difference in the mouthfeel, the taste, and whatever. You can do a side-by-side taste test and that sort of thing. The big one is, you don’t get that “bomb” in your gut. If you slam one of these down, you absorb it.

[00:33:30] Shifting Focus: How Water Feels vs. How It Tastes

Patrick Durkin: I would suggest there’s a bit of vocabulary that can help people here, which is that we are culturally conditioned to talk about the taste of water. If you ask someone a question about their experience with water, the vocabulary they usually use is “taste.” The question I have is, how does the water feel? What I’ve noticed is that, in particular, the inside of my cheeks is the best place to notice whether something is hydrating or dehydrating.

For me, green tea feels chalky. Before our interview started, I drank about half of a Mason jar because I knew I’d be talking more than drinking while we were going. I can still feel the inside of my cheeks wet—still rolling good. Another thing is the smoothness of my skin. If I get away from structured water for a bit, my skin feels drier. Then there’s energy levels, creativity, and emotions.

I raised four kids while learning about structured water. One of them literally said to me, “Dad, are you ever going to talk about anything other than water?” I was like, “No, I don’t think so.” It was a nonstop laboratory at Dad’s house. I remember a moment when one of the kids was off emotionally, and another grabbed a bottle of water, filled it up, and said, “Here, you’re being a jerk. Drink this.” I thought they got it right. They understand the connection.

I’ve experienced that, of course, many times myself. Those are some of the areas to look at. I think the cheek one is phenomenal—start noticing whether your cheek feels wet or feels chalky.

[00:35:26] Understanding H2O, H3O2, and the Ever-Changing Nature of Water

Ryan Sternagel: Can we go back to the, I guess you would call it chemistry? You mentioned H3O2. My son, the other day, was asking me to explain to him how two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule could come together. How can these two gases come together and form water? I don’t know what the hell to tell him. It happens. Stop asking questions. And now we’ve got H3O2 that you threw out there. Can you tell me what to tell my son about the H2O? But then, more seriously, what’s the deal with H3O2? How is that measured, in as layman’s terms as possible—all that good stuff?

Patrick Durkin: What we do in this culture is we separate things, isolate them, and make it seem like that’s the truth, and we miss the connection between things. Culturally, we all talk like water is H2O; It’s known. Everybody knows water is H2O. Imagine my surprise when I learned that water is H2O sometimes; That can be its predominant state. If you go get water that’s gone through a long, straight pipe—which is not a condition that water thrives in—and you pull it out, that water is predominantly H2O. That doesn’t mean it’s without other states. The real truth is that water is alive and conscious, and its connections are constantly changing.

When you put water through our device, the predominant state becomes H3O2, but that doesn’t mean there’s no H2O in our water, it means it’s easiest to measure most of H3O2. There’s OH in there, and there are dozens and dozens of configurations of changes between hydrogen and oxygen. It’s not a fixed matrix, all locked in lines and squares like that. It’s like going to a dance, moving to this partner and that partner—the hydrogens and oxygens are constantly changing. It’s that aliveness that underlies all of life, this life force.

We have these illusions, like straight lines… there is no straight line in nature, you’re always a little bit off. If you look at the Fibonacci sequence and the way things are created, it’s always off from being a perfect number. It’s constant; it goes on forever, the Fibonacci sequence.

The thing to begin teaching your son is that there are mysteries of life that our education system doesn’t address. Our traditional education system tries to make things concrete, separates things, and doesn’t investigate the totality. When you allow for the totality, you allow for the miraculous. You allow for that force that makes life. It’s what separates human beings from artificial intelligence and this cultural dumbing down of people. Many people think things are finite; It’s black or white, polarized. It’s only a single way; It’s usually the one way they’ve been educated on, and then they’ll fight to the death—maybe not to the death, but it feels like it sometimes—to protect and defend that as though it was the truth.

I find, as I’m on this journey of consciousness, that the people I most respect, admire and want to pull close to me are the people who have a big question mark about things. They say, “Hey, I’ve collected this information about this, I’ve collected this information about that, and this resonates with me, this doesn’t resonate with me. I think it’s mostly like this, but I’m open to learning more.”

You might look up the Dr. Emoto Foundation, which has some work for children. You might be able to do a Google search and find that these days. That would be a great place to start—to teach your son about consciousness and the ever-changing nature of water rather than seeing it as a fixed thing. Because even at a young age, he’s approaching it through what he learned in school. The very question he’s forming is coming out of that education system.

Ryan Sternagel: He didn’t learn that in school. It was me parroting, “Ryder, this water is two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen,” and then the questions started from there. We homeschool to try to get away from all that stuff, but then I catch myself…

Patrick Durkin: It’s hard; We’ve been indoctrinated. We’ve been conditioned to think a certain way. It’s like a homogeneous way of thinking that acts like it knows the truth. The more I learn, the more I realize I don’t know very much.

[00:41:06] The Science and Intuition Behind H3O2 and Hydration

Ryan Sternagel: When we talk about H2O versus H3O2, we talked about what we talked about there. Is there any way, scientifically, to say why H3O2 or these other combinations are better, more hydrating, and so on? Do they fit in with our cells better? Or what is the explanation for why that water tends to be what it is to the body?

Patrick Durkin: There are two parts of that I’d like to present. The first is Gerald Pollack’s book, The Fourth Phase of Water, published in 2013. It’s a dense scientific book. I’m not a dense scientific reader, so I got that book in 2013, and many afternoons that summer, I would go upstairs, sit, and try to read it. Inevitably, I’d end up falling asleep. I’m not the world’s best scientist, but I do believe there’s a learning that happens by associating with ideas.

Over time, I came to see other people talking about Dr. Pollack’s ideas, and I was able to distill them down a little more, understanding the idea that water can act as a battery by the choice of order or structure that you put into it, and it can have negative ions to donate.

That’s the first part—you can pursue this through the scientific method. Gerald Pollack is widely revered as one of the top water scientists in the world right now and is a great place to study.

The other place, more important to me because it gives me more peace and has more influence, is recognizing that each of us individually is our own most important scientific instrument. We’ve been gifted a guidance system from our Creator that our culture has taught us to suppress. That guidance system is our emotions and our inspiration.

What I’m finding, as I do more and more emotional work in this lifetime—clearing off the traumas of childhood, the resentments, the forgiveness and getting underneath all that stuff—I become more childlike and inspired. As that happens, things get easier and easier.

I now feel like the Creator, the universe, or whatever words people use, has a seat at the table at The Wellness Enterprise. We’re not just a couple of guys thinking a certain way and then planning it all out with our intellects, we want to make a difference in our lives and impact this Earth for the betterment of the species. Then we listen to what is inspired action, and how do we move in that direction? As people let go of rigid thinking, they bring on their emotional system more and feel that inspiration from deep within, that’s the most important scientific instrument for me in this universe.

Ryan Sternagel: I like the structure of your answers, Patrick—you give me one scientific answer and one “woo” emotional answer. It’s a good balance. Let’s keep doing that. I’m interested to hear what the “woo” emotional answer is.

[00:44:56] Harnessing Negative Ions: Vortexes, Life Force, and Vibrational Health

Ryan Sternagel: You mentioned negative ions. That’s a term that gets—not thrown around, but it should probably be used more in the natural health education world. My understanding is that they’re some sort of electric-type charge that gets emitted from all sorts of things, from light to water, to lightning and thunder. All these different natural phenomena produce negative ions that help keep the proper charge in our body.

Any better explanation of negative ions than the one I rambled off would be great. Also, how does the water go in on one side—if we’re talking about the Aqua Energizer—with fewer negative ions and come out with more?

Patrick Durkin: That’s an amazing thing. The simplest answer is, as I was beginning this stage of my career, I lived right by the beach, and I would go for a walk barefoot on the beach. I would notice I felt great every time. I was watching what happened there. What happens there is water moves. It’s simple.

Over time, I bumped into this concept of a vortex, and I wanted to learn more about it. One of the things I learned is a vortex is a spin. If people want to visualize it, it looks like a tornado—that’s something we can all visualize. When water spins, when anything spins in a vortex, it spins infinitely fast. Take a second to be present to that—something spinning faster than our mathematics can measure. We’re saying that’s infinite.

What I noticed while going for walks at the beach is that sometimes, as the hotter months came around, I would walk with the water between my knees and my hips, thigh-deep. I would notice that vortexes spun off me as I moved through the water. As I created motion, vortexes occurred, and then I started to see into the depth of the ocean that there were an infinite number of vortexes in the little space around me. I was surrounding myself with infinite energy. That’s what got me going on this.

At that time, I was branding The Wellness Enterprise as the Structured Water Superstore; That’s what I wanted to be when I grew up—I wanted to be the place where people would come for structured water, and we’d be the authority in the world. As this decade has moved on, I’ve come to understand us very differently. I dropped all the tagging of the Structured Water Superstore and rebranded us as “The Wellness Enterprise, the Company That Loves You.”

As the company that loves you, what we do is, for the most part, our lead products all help you generate more life force; That’s the point of it. The Cosmic Tower, the Aqua Energizer—we’re here to help you bathe yourself in negative ions because that’s the opposite of what all the manmade technologies that I think are breaking people down are doing. Those all have a positive charge. What we want is a negative charge, that millivolt charge that keeps a body healthy and well.

I don’t follow Dr. Jerry Tennant’s work carefully, but I know of his work, and he talks about measuring bodies in negative millivolts, and the more you have, the better off you are. I understand that intuitively and have come to realize that’s the most important thing on this planet; If we help people fill themselves with that negative charge, they have the energy and the vitality to live.

If we help them live in a harmonized, structured environment filled with that negative charge, they get a true blueprint and readout of who they are back from the world as they interact with it. That makes them the answer to everything that’s going on in this world. If we had eight billion people who are an authentic blueprint, an authentic replication of what the Creator intended, and they were all vibrating their negative ions, then we’d be less susceptible to the mind control and the false education and the things that steer us in the wrong direction.

I used to sit and look at those chemtrail planes dropping chemicals from the sky onto my land, my food, my children, and myself. I thought, “I want to take those planes out of the sky,” but then I realized, I’m never going to have my own air force. How am I going to take those planes out of the sky? The answer came to me: fill the pilot with life force, so that when that pilot gets the order, he says, “I’m not flying that plane.” As far as I can tell, that’s the closest access I have. I’m going to keep working on that and giving people the opportunity.

If you do business with The Wellness Enterprise, we have a very high-grade product, like the water pitchers that are part of our offer for your audience; They’re very simple. There’s a concentration of toxicity in Texas and in our world today. If you’re going to filter it, you may as well have the best filter you can get. This pitcher removes everything, including fluoride and radiation from Fukushima; It’s the best pitcher. If you’re going to buy something physical from us that deals with the physical level, let it be the best. If you’re going to buy something energetic, let it build your negative ions, and let it build your life force so you can be the truest version of yourself. That’s what the fulvic magnesium, the Aqua Energizers, and the Cosmic Towers are all about. This question is right at the heart of what matters most to me.

[00:51:32] Why Blenders Aren’t the Solution for Structured Water

Ryan Sternagel: I usually save Q&A for the end, but this one is pertinent to everything we’ve been talking about: “Can’t I put water in a blender for the vortex?”

Patrick Durkin: I’ve been approached to sell almost every structured water product—or at least many of them. I’ve tried a lot myself voluntarily. One of the ones I’ve never purchased is the Vortex Blender. There are a couple of reasons for that.

Ryan Sternagel: I didn’t even know the Vortex Blender was a thing. How I read this question was, can’t I put it in, like, a Vitamix?

Patrick Durkin: A blender. There’s a regular blender, and then one that was adapted specifically for water. That one was even more of a choice by commerce to try to do what you’re talking about; I reject that one too. I’ll tell you why I reject it, and this applies even more to a regular blender.

I’m sensitive to sound; Sound matters. When all these small engines—leaf blowers, lawnmowers, those kinds of things—come around, it affects my nervous system. For one answer about blenders, I know that’s not natural for me. I don’t know about other people, but I know that’s not natural for me. But one thing I know that’s natural for all people is that electricity is not natural or congruent with the human body. If I had the opportunity to spend the day at a beach or a waterfall, something like that in nature, or surrounded by electronic equipment plugged into the wall, at the end of that day around electronic equipment, I’d be irritable and scratchy. At the end of a day immersed in nature, I’m going to feel good.

One of the decision points along the way in forming this company, which has been an organic, year-by-year process, is if it’s plugged in, we’re out. I don’t want anything that’s plugged in, because anything that comes from the consciousness of being plugged in isn’t going to scale to the solutions we’re after, which is bringing the infinite in. We have to do our best to discern through all the technologies to find what’s most similar to what the Creator does. A regular blender is just spinning water. It might look like there’s an appearance of a vortex there—I don’t know, but I would never use a blender to treat my water.

[00:54:33] The Three Essential Questions for Choosing the Ideal Water

Ryan Sternagel: It goes back to trying to define this thing from a million different angles. It’s not just the physical “what is it doing?” It’s the whole energy and consciousness and so on behind it. It’s probably a good segue now to talk about… it’s not just the Aqua Energizer. You’ll probably do a better job of explaining what you.

Patrick Durkin: I would suggest that there are three questions every person needs to answer to have the ideal water for themselves. After answering the phone to thousands and thousands of people from around the world calling and asking their questions about water, I noticed that almost everybody comes in with purity questions. “Can it remove this?”

Over the years, as my understanding of oneness has developed and deepened, I started thinking—how do I remove anything if everything is part of one thing? Isn’t it just a matter of pushing something over there, but it’s still connected? Like when we throw plastic into the sea—the plastic ends up in the fish, and the fish ends up back in our bodies. We’re now finding out that microplastics are in about 84% of water, so there’s no “over there.” It’s all connected.

There are three questions we need to understand about water. The first is the one that’s mandatory, and it’s not the one that’s culturally mandatory, but I’d suggest, after living this experience for the last dozen years, it’s the mandatory one: What is the structure of my water? Consciously or unconsciously, you’ve made a choice there. The second is, do I filter? If so, which one? And the third is, what about minerals? Do I mineralize? If so, how?

If you get clear about structuring, filtering, and mineralization for yourself based on your values, beliefs, and budget, you’re in the right place.

As we look at the offer and try to understand, “Why does The Wellness Enterprise offer water pitchers? Why do we offer minerals? Why do we offer the world’s only certified structured water device?”—it’s because these are the answers to those three questions. They’re not the only answers, but the ones we’re putting forth first.

[00:57:13] Scaling the Aqua Energizer: Enhancing Production While Preserving Energy Quality

Patrick Durkin: There’s one more thing I want to say, Ryan. Your community is a big deal for me. The way things went—you had me on for the first interview a year ago, and your community came in and sold us out of Aqua Energizers. Then, a month later, four big doctors picked us up and started promoting us, and we were making devices by hand on the Aqua Energizers. It quickly became apparent that we were going to go under with that—there was no way we could keep up. It’s been a year of trying to catch up to demand and shift from handmade.

The making of the Aqua Energizer was scaled to meet demand while maintaining, or hopefully improving the energetics. It may sound like just one year of work to show back up with you, but it was tedious. At one point, we were 90 to 110 days behind on orders. Finally, this month, as of today, in the last two weeks, we have more products in the warehouse ready to ship than your audience will buy, which is amazing.

In that process, we gathered a team of six sensitive people who measured subtle energy. We examined every assumption about the way the Aqua Energizer is made—the length of every part, and the shapes within it. Throughout the process, every change we made to move from handmade to more of an assembled process was carefully tested. They’re still handled by hand; it’s not a production line. But now we can make 25 a day instead of someone crafting five by hand. That 25 a day is immediately scalable to be able to make as many as we want by replicating the process with more people.

We discovered things like, even though all of the solder we use has been lead-free, we realized we could use about 97% less solder by putting in a screen to hold the crystals in the middle. Then we learned there were two additional benefits to that. One is that we could make the screens using sacred geometry—an octagon that increases the harmony of the device. We also left a little space so the crystals rattle freely, which further enhances the harmony of the device. Each step was examined along the way, and it’s taken a year, but we’re finally on top of it.

We’ve had the Aqua Energizer for four years, and we’ve never had a sale to the public.

[01:00:23] Connecting Aqua Energizers and Cosmic Towers: Complementary Water Structuring Technologies

Patrick Durkin: Then, ironically, the same thing happened with the Cosmic Tower. You interviewed Nico Martens last month. For people who don’t know, Nico and I are business partners on the Cosmic Tower project. It turns out that the Cosmic Tower is an advancement in structuring technology. It’s a different way to do it; It’s not one or the other; it happens to be both. It’s interesting that you’ve had that impact on both of those product lines.

That allowed me, in preparing for this call, to realize that it’s time to tie the Aqua Energizers and the Cosmic Towers together. For the person at home listening and thinking, “Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about Aqua Energizers today. Do the Cosmic Towers structure water too?” Yes. The Cosmic Tower structures your entire environment—it structures the entire home.

Ryan, you have a Cosmic Tower 220 now, and you’re experiencing that. I have a Cosmic Tower 220 right here next to me. These are powerful devices. I’ve moved a lot in the last couple of years, and I moved into this home on June 3rd. It’s August 14th, and I recently realized I never installed a structured water shower device on my shower. I was thinking, “Why didn’t I?” Because I know the difference between showering in structured water or not. That’s when I realized that having the Cosmic Tower in the home structures the water as it comes out of the shower at a level of satisfaction that meets my needs.

If anyone has questions or confusion about this, we’re here to support you. We like to call ourselves the company that loves you. If people reach out to us, we’re dedicated to being on the phone, being on email, and helping you sort this out to get the best things for yourself.

I know that was a lot. Let me see where you want to go. I see you picked up one of your Cosmic Towers and brought it over. I’ve got one behind me too and off to the side here.

Ryan Sternagel: I figured we’ve got the big one in our house. This is fine for a house, this guy—the 35—but I brought him to the office with me, which I’m happy about for sure, especially because I probably need it here more than at the house, even. And yes, everyone, we will get to Q&A in a minute.

[01:03:01] Choosing Between the Aqua Energizer and Cosmic Tower: Resonance, Science, and Personal Preference

Ryan Sternagel: Patrick, that also begs the question, going back to my first question: “What’s the difference between smiling at the water and running it through the Aqua Energizer?” We have the same type of question: What’s the difference between having a Cosmic Tower in your house versus running your water through the Aqua Energizer?

If anybody needs it, I’ll include the replay link for the Cosmic Tower webinar in the email going out tomorrow. But if you want it before then, or if you don’t see the email, just write in, and we’ll send you the replay link directly as well.

Patrick, is smiling at your water the same as having a Cosmic Tower in your house? Is that the same as running it through the Aqua Energizer? If I have a Cosmic Tower in my house and it’s structuring the water coming out of my sink, will it be even more “high vibing” with the Aqua Energizer? You opened a can of worms there—I knew it was coming, but I’m ready. How do we work through that?

Patrick Durkin: That’s a great question because this is all about improving people’s lives. Let me first say that everything The Wellness Enterprise sells and talks about is a placeholder for humanity remembering our true power. In other words, when we all know our power to structure water, to pray with our words, and to be accountable for our vibration, we won’t need any of these tools anymore.

I want to get to a specific learning experience I had. I think it was 2015. Someone heard me interviewed in something like this, and they called me up and said, “I can teach you to structure water without your device.” I was like, “I’m in, how do we do that?” He said, “You come to New Hampshire and spend two days in my home, and I’ll show you.” I’m like, “Okay.”

I went up there, and he trained me for two days. I felt confident that I was structuring water without my device. I was like, “Okay, my opinion doesn’t matter. I’ll gather 10 people in my home down in Massachusetts. You come to me, and we’ll spend a weekend training these 10 people. Let’s see what happens.” So, we came down to Massachusetts a couple of months later. We had an audience of 10 people, and we taught everybody over the weekend to structure water. On Sunday night, I asked everyone, “Do you feel like you can structure water?” They said, yes. They went home.

Then, about a week later, I called each of them individually. I asked, “So, how’s it going? Are you structuring your water?” The first one said, no. The second one said, no. Every one of them said no. I was like, “Why not?” The collective answer was, “Because it takes too much from me. I don’t have the life force to dedicate to spending my time and energy structuring my water.” That’s a lot more powerful than smiling at your water.

Do I think that praying over your water or choosing your words intentionally makes a difference? One hundred percent—I know that it does. But is it enough to create enough harmony to structure the water? No, it’s not, in my opinion.

This opinion was furthered when I submitted four different technologies for testing using the methodology through which Aqua Energizer received a certification. The only product we were able to get a certification for was the Aqua Energizer. These were other products I was selling, thinking I was creating the degree of harmony that would produce H3O2. The answer was—it wasn’t.

In the last month, I listened to a podcast with the founder of Analemma, which is a popular product these days and endorsed by a ton of people. I’ve never wanted to sell it. I was surprised to hear that the inventor had spent a lot of time with Dr. Pollack, and in that time, they learned together that his technology did not pass the test that the Aqua Energizer passed. Here he is, sharing that freely and talking about how great his product is. I was like, “No wonder I wasn’t interested.” I feel guided on things like that. I think the greatest scientific instrument, as I already said, is each of us individually. The Aqua Energizer has passed a test that other technologies have not; I don’t know of any other technology that I could submit to get a passing result for that.

I’ve separated myself from those other technologies and focused solely on telling people that the Aqua Energizer is the best-structured water device in the world. Nico came along and layered the Cosmic Tower on top. I was like, “How do I navigate that?” Nico feels things instantly—when he went to visit his first Cosmic Tower, he could feel it from hundreds of miles away as he was driving to it through Europe. He put one in front of me, and I was like, “I don’t feel anything.” We’re very different beings, and he has held space for me as I learn and grow.

The answer that matters most to this question is that each individual is responsible for knowing what resonates with them; I can’t possibly know for everyone. I can provide information, I can provide guidance, and I can tell you where we’re looking to find those answers. For me, the answer about the Cosmic Tower versus the Aqua Energizer comes down to a felt sense. That felt sense, I’m learning, is the language of my heart. It’s different from emotions like anger, depression, joy, or love. It’s more like a guidance system that moves me toward certain things and away from others.

The Cosmic Tower has always been something that has moved me toward it. Now that I’m two years into sensitizing myself, I’ve noticed that when I speak about Cosmic Towers with others—like if two of us are in a room talking about it, or even on Zoom—I feel the towers around me more when we bring in the collective consciousness. It’s part of the way I’m wired. Some people will be more drawn to the Cosmic Tower, which structures water, and some will be more drawn to the Aqua Energizer.

Nico has been living in my house for five weeks, and he’s the big sensitive Cosmic Tower guy. I was like, “Hey, I’ve got a question for you. I’ve noticed over the last five weeks that you keep using the Aqua Energizer.” That’s by the sink. I was like, “Why do you do that?” He said, “There are two reasons. The first is that it’s a habit.” He had his Aqua Energizer long before he got a Cosmic Tower. The second is that by using the Aqua Energizer repeatedly, time after time, he’s taught himself to be present with water. It’s that act of being present and putting the water through the vortex for that moment that brings another level of conditioning to the water.

I would probably say if I was only going to choose one, I would probably now choose the Cosmic Tower. It’s an opportunity where Nico, who’s the most sensitive, is using both. Some people are going to resonate with choosing the Aqua Energizer, some with the Cosmic Tower, and some with both. It’s fine—you can’t have too much harmony in your life. It’s just a question of where you want to have it.

[01:11:32] The Cosmic Tower: Harmonizing Your Environment and Enhancing Daily Life

Ryan Sternagel: You can’t have too much harmony in your life, and a question of budget, of course. The Aqua Energizer is less money than the Cosmic Tower. As for the Cosmic Tower, the question was, what does the Cosmic Tower do? I think the easiest way to talk about it is in EMF protection terms. We had a whole presentation on the biogeometry involved, the subtle energy benefits it brings, and all that good stuff to your whole environment, which we’ve definitely felt. I’m definitely more like you, Patrick; I’m not the most sensitive guy, but my dreams have been off the charts ever since.

Patrick Durkin: We all have different strengths and sensitivities. What the Cosmic Tower does is create a toroidal energy field, and we’re not going to spend two hours on that—you recently did that. If you want to share that replay with people, we welcome you to, and allow people to hear Nico’s perspective on it.

A way I’d put it, relevant to this last week I spent, is that I was living with my auntie, and I’ve lived with her before when I first came to Maui. She has a lot of little clocks around the house, and they have a pretty loud tick. I’ve already shared on this call that I’m sensitive to sound. It used to be that when I visited her, I would collect her clocks, move them all into her room so she could sleep with them, or I’d pull the batteries out.

This time, I noticed there would be moments during the day where I’d hear the clock, but I wasn’t irritated by it. I slept with one within three feet of my head for two weeks, and I never thought about it. What I’m suggesting is that all of the different frequencies of life are available at any given time, including 5G everywhere now. Rather than thinking, “I have to block that, push it away, or keep it out,” we bring in a Cosmic Tower that creates more harmony at a stronger level than the thing coming toward us that we don’t want to associate with. Rather than blocking or resisting, we’re experiencing the harmony of the Cosmic Tower as senior to that; We don’t even notice it.

Ryan Sternagel: Apologies—I should have noted that. Some people were wondering when we were going to get to the Q&A. I realized I didn’t do the typical housekeeping at the beginning, letting you know to type your questions in. Don’t feel like we’re ignoring you; we’ll get to them during the Q&A. Also, please don’t take anything you hear as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. That goes for everything we’ve discussed here. I’m not a doctor, and I’m pretty sure Patrick’s not a doctor. We’re just a couple of guys talking about things we think we know but aren’t entirely sure about.

[01:15:17] The Challenges of Whole-Home Water Filtration: Insights and Alternatives

Ryan Sternagel: The question is, “What’s the best whole-home water filtration system?” That’s a question I’m still grappling with myself, Patrick. I know this came up the last time we talked. What’s your answer for whole-home filtration systems, Patrick?

Patrick Durkin: It’s been a rough year for my belief in filters. I think there are a lot of companies shoveling a load of crap on that topic, and I’m frustrated by it.

Ryan Sternagel: I’ve been trying to click around on whole-home water filters in my spare time because I want to get a new one for myself. We get that question 10 times a day, with people writing on Instagram and so on. Every time I find one that looks compelling, I look up their Better Business Bureau reviews, and they’re horrendous. People hate these companies with a passion because of how they’ve been treated by these water filter companies. It’s interesting. I don’t have a good answer right now for the best whole-home water filter.

Patrick Durkin: When I started this business, I thought we were going to be a water filter company. That wasn’t my life path, but it was my plan because I wanted the passive income that comes from selling replacement filters. I had this vision of Patrick windsurfing, and the cash register ringing with all the replacement filter sales. But when I found structured water, I ran away from filters because there were no replacement parts, and no maintenance—it’s a terrible business model.

What happened over this decade is that three times I have private-labeled filters. That means you go to a manufacturer who has a product you like, take that product, put your brand on it, and offer it to the world. Three times I’ve private-labeled water filters for under the sink, and all three times I’ve lost money. That’s not easy to do when you take a product and buy it then you double the price of it, sell it to the public, and still lose money. You’ve got to be doing something special to lose money three for three. My third one was this year. It’s like, enough already—I get the point. I’m not supposed to be selling filters and replacement filters.

Part of what happens in those businesses is that testing is expensive. What they do is take a material like KDF 55, and they’ll say the manufacturer of this—like DuPont or GE—tested it, and it removes these toxins. They take some KDF 55, combine it with coconut and charcoal, put these things together, and say, “Based on how other people have tested these materials, our water filter does this,” even though they never take their filter anywhere near a lab. There’s a lot of that bait-and-switch that goes on in the industry because the actual testing of putting real water with all its real contaminants through the filter is so expensive. I’m done with those companies, and I’m done saying I can navigate through there or that I have the answer.

I’ve come down to this: the Best Water Pitcher Ever has been laboratory tested globally for 20 years, and so we have an average amalgamation of real testing with real water on the product. One lab might find we get 90% fluoride removal, another might get 95%, and another might get 92%. We blend them all together and know that’s the best filtration you can get for a water pitcher.

We offer two products for filtration: the Best Water Pitcher Ever and, new this year, the Alexa Pure Pro water filter. What I love about the Alexa Pure Pro is that the filters are rated for 200 gallons, and they’ve been tested for 200 gallons. They also have a component for biological contamination, and they’ve been laboratory-tested to address that. In this age and era, where water supplies are not necessarily secure, it’s nice to know that if I had to drink water from a river, lake, or even my swimming pool, I could put that through the Alexa Pure, and the water would be safe.

We offer those two as our answer to filtration, and neither one is a whole-house filter. I don’t have a whole-house filter to recommend, and I’m sorry. After a decade of losing money on this topic, I’m done. I don’t have an answer.

Ryan Sternagel: I can’t find any of those companies that have test results on their actual filters.

Patrick Durkin: There’s one more thing. There’s still a legacy product on our website that’s fine, but nobody’s ever bought one from us. We’ve had it up for years, and it’s Multi-Pure, which is one of the most laboratory-tested. I forgot the acronym, but there’s a certification in the industry that certifies water as having toxins removed in a lab. They’re phenomenal at that, but because they paid for the testing, their prices are through the roof. It’s expensive, and I think that’s why nobody’s ever bought one from us. We put it up to give people the most certified solution, but nobody wants it because the price is too high. It leaves me in the same place, but it is on our website in case somebody stumbles on it and wonders why it’s there; That’s why it’s there.

[01:21:36] Transparency Matters: Comparing Aqua Energizer to Spring Aqua

Ryan Sternagel: “How does this compare to Spring Aqua?” I hadn’t heard of Spring Aqua before.

Patrick Durkin: I have. I’ve spent plenty of hours on the phone with the CEO of Spring Aqua, and the CEO of Spring Aqua system will not, even with a non-disclosure agreement, tell me what’s in his devices. I’m the CEO of The Wellness Enterprise, and he wants me as a distributor, but he won’t tell me what’s in his devices. That’s not okay.

For me, I don’t want to speculate publicly, but I don’t know what’s in there, and it looks to me like there could be things that are harmful. All he has to do is share that information with me, but he won’t. Furthermore, he completely changed his branding without changing his product at all, to call his water Structured Water after meeting with the Hydration Foundation and Gina Bria; I’m not comfortable with that either. If you moved into the structured water industry and you hadn’t been in it before, and now you’re saying you are—what did you change? What did you put in there that structures water? I’m not able to tell you that. When I asked, he said, “That’s a trade secret.” That’s not okay. I don’t like secrets. My former wife loved to compartmentalize things and think that something could be over here and not be related. I’m completely in conflict with that. We should be transparent. If you want to know anything you want to know about The Wellness Enterprise, call us and ask. I’ll tell you the truth.

[01:23:17] Exploring Distillers: Water Purity, Aging, and the Value of Quality

Ryan Sternagel: That’s why we love you, Patrick. I can check that one off the list. It seems like that’s almost my full-time job now—investigating all these new nifty devices that come up; It’s a lot. Now you’ve got people doing combos—the combo of sauna, light therapy, and PEMF—but then you start digging into it, and it’s like a crappy sauna, crappy PEMF, and crappy light therapy. It’s getting wild out there.

Patrick Durkin: It takes a lot of our time and energy to discern through that stuff. It takes leaning in.

I’m loosely watching the chat, and I think somebody asked about distillers. I have always stayed away from distillers, but I got one this summer. There are two things motivating me to experiment with distillers. The first is the toxicity in our world, which is outrageous. There are so many toxins right now that I’m more interested in filtration than I’ve ever been before.

The second is that distillers remove inorganic minerals from water. I’ve seen the sludge left in a distiller after the distillation process, and I’m wondering if that inorganic calcium is part of the hardening in our bodies and part of the aging process. So I’d like to experiment this upcoming year (my 55th year) by distilling my water and seeing what happens—whether I feel like I get crunchier or if I get some softness back. I think it’s going to take time for the water to flush through my body to rid it of those inorganic deposits.

I would say that distillers are worthy of consideration. There’s also a whole host of new contaminants being discussed, like plasmids and quantum dots. I’m not going to pretend to be on top of all that, but since the COVID narrative, there’s been dialogue suggesting things like snake venom, plasmids, or bio-quantum dots in water. I don’t know about any of that—I’m not saying they are or aren’t in the water—but if I distill, I know that stuff’s not in the water. If that gives you peace of mind, get a distiller.

We’ll be putting a link up on our website to the distiller I’m experimenting with. We’ll get a 5% commission if people buy it, but I don’t care about the commission. Having learned my lesson with those three filter products I lost money on, I know that’s not my path. I’m here to help people with life force energy. The company is called Pure and Secure. If people want to look up Pure and Secure distillers, that’s fine. If they want to email us for an affiliate link and then go to them, that’s fine; It’s not important.

Ryan Sternagel: I think, as far as what’s going to remove everything, it’s distilled. Possibly not even everything, though. Nanoplastics are so small that they very well could come up with the steam; I don’t know.

Patrick Durkin: We’re doing some experimenting with that. We’ve been following some thinking by some prominent doctors, and what we’re doing right now is using the Alexa Pure system first to filter the water.

Berkey made a great name in the countertop canister gravity filter. They ran into some trouble. They probably had a defect in their design, where their filtered water would sit where their filters were, raising a question of leaching. With the Alexa Pure, the water goes through into the canister below. If you overfill the top canister, it just spills—you only want one canister full, and it should be the bottom one. They got rid of that design flaw, and they have laboratory testing on 200 gallons of water per filter, with 206+ contaminants removed at very high percentages for each.

We’re using Alexa Pure first to get a good, less-than-0.1-micron pull from the water, and then distilling second. That’s new for me, so I’m not fully recommending it publicly yet, but it’s what I’m experimenting with myself. I think that’s the direction we’re going, and I’m comfortable enough to share the information for people to decide on their own. If you want toxin removal, that’s a really solid system—Alexa Pure first, Pure and Secure next.

One of the reasons we’re not carrying distillers and maybe just offering an affiliate link is that there’s no innovation left in the distilling industry. It’s very simple—as long as you use food-grade parts, you’re just steaming, collecting, and pulling it down; There’s nothing to innovate or improve there. The real question is, do you spend enough on your distiller so it’s not a cheap piece of junk from China that you’ll throw out within a year? It needs to last. I chose Pure and Secure because it aligns with my values. It’s an American company that’s been in business for 50 years. When I asked them, “How long do your products last?” they said, “What do you mean?” I asked, “Don’t people have to throw your product away at some point?” He replied, “No.” I was like, “Why not?” He said, “Because every part in our system is replaceable. All someone has to do is communicate with us and tell us the issue, and we’ll tell them which part to replace. The original product we made 50 years ago is still in existence.” That was awesome. It costs more than the cheap distillers, but it has a quality that resonates with what I want in my life.

[01:29:47] Evaluating Water Systems: Questions of Quality and the Three-Day Test

Ryan Sternagel: Let’s ask about another one—Pristine Hydro. Have you looked into those guys?

Patrick Durkin: I think that’s a filter.

Ryan Sternagel: “We purchased the Pristine Hydro travel system because city water didn’t appeal to us. It’s a 10-stage system. Stages nine and 10 are restructuring and recharging.”

Patrick Durkin: Got it. Perfect, thanks. Generally speaking, when you get an integrated system like that, they’ve picked up the vocabulary from the industry and say they’re “restructuring.” That’s part of their marketing claims. What they might do is get some ceramic balls from China and…

Ryan Sternagel: …run over lodestones and quartz crystals.

Patrick Durkin: Where do those crystals come from, and what are the stones? There can be a huge difference. In remaking and scaling the Aqua Energizer for greater volume production, we had to look at where our crystals come from. We had to find sources that could produce them for us, knowing they’re authentically coming from mines in Brazil. There’s a lot of cheap imitation crystal out there, so it’s worth asking the people who make it, “Tell us more about your structuring technology. Tell me about the source of your crystals, where they’re coming from, why you’ve chosen them, and about their quality.”

Ultimately, if the water feels soft afterward, if it makes your cheeks feel moist and you feel great about it, that’s an awesome water for you. But if it doesn’t have a vortex and you’re not aware of those aspects, you could be in an area of sensitivity that you haven’t heightened enough yet.

One of the tools I’ve used to develop my behavior over the last dozen years is something I call “three days on, three days off.” What I do is try water for three days, consume it, and then switch to another one, comparing the two. After repeating three days on, and three days off a couple of times, my body says, “I don’t want that one anymore,” and then I know which one is better. The most important thing is always coming back to ourselves and knowing we have the answers for us. See how you feel about it, and try three days on, three days off.

Ryan Sternagel: That’s a good little test there, Patrick.

[01:32:27] Choosing Between Glass and Plastic: Practicality and Personal Preference

Ryan Sternagel: Glass or plastic for the Best Water Pitcher?

Patrick Durkin: The pitcher itself is plastic. There’s not much going on in the realm of glass containers for water pitchers; there are some impracticalities with glass—it breaks. I’ve distributed glass bottles at different times as part of our business, and the only ones we still carry are the VitaJewel crystal water bottles. The only reason we still carry them is that the company that manufactures them ships directly to our clients and replaces any that break. When a glass bottle broke, it would break my heart—I couldn’t stand it.

Glass is great, and it’s preferable. If plastic is a no for you, then consider the Alexa Pure gravity filter instead of the pitcher. If you’re looking at the offer and say, “I don’t want the pitcher because it’s plastic,” email us and tell us what you want and need. We’ll work with you to make sure you get the system you want.

We do our best to offer discounts and make bundles. For example, the price of a pitcher is $89, but when we sell it for $57 with free shipping, we don’t make any money. We’re just getting them out in the world; That’s not an important part of our business. Our business is about the negative ions and the life force energy. That whole Google game we played and the extra products we carry that aren’t Aqua Energizers were ways to help people find us. We didn’t care if we made money on them or not, because that doesn’t matter; What matters is teaching about the energy of water. If we need to substitute a pitcher and an Alexa Pure or whatever, just email us—we’ll work it out. We love you.

[01:34:33] Key Questions to Evaluate Whole-House Water Filtration Systems

Ryan Sternagel: I hadn’t heard of either of these—Superior Water or LifeSource. I guess the question was about two different whole-house water systems: one was Superior Water, and one was LifeSource.

Patrick Durkin: I haven’t thought of either of those companies. There are a lot of water filters out there.

Ryan Sternagel: There are so many of them, and that’s the problem. Like you said, three-quarters of them are private labels of other ones. Not every water filter company is making its own filters—they’re taking other ones and putting a different label on them. It’s tough.

Patrick Durkin: How about we empower people with questions so they can do their due diligence? Ask the manufacturer or the person representing it: “Do you manufacture this product? What are the components you use? What safety testing, regulations, or certifications have you completed? Have you done laboratory testing on your actual filter? If so, for how many gallons and with what contaminants?”

Because what they often do is separate one element, like fluoride or chlorine, run that through the filter, and then say, “We did 500 gallons of chlorine.” But what about all the other contaminants in the real world that would be clogging it up? Would you get the same result if all those other contaminants were present?

Ask them for the results from a certified lab. You should be able to Google that lab, backtrack into it, see the results, and match them with the lab director’s signature. Those questions will help you cut through the imitators and get to a manufacturer who makes something and has tested it. That’s the name of the game.

Ryan Sternagel: Very empowering questions, Patrick. I like it.

[01:36:50] Why Reverse Osmosis May Not Be the Best Choice: Exploring Alternatives

Ryan Sternagel: “Any thoughts on reverse osmosis?” Give me some more structured water questions, guys. Or we could talk about different filtering technologies for the rest of the time—that’s fine.

Patrick Durkin: I used to say there were two things in life that I was against. I don’t think being against things is good—it drains your life force. Try to find a way to roll with things. The two things I used to say I was against were my former wife’s attorney and reverse osmosis. I’ve made peace with my former wife’s attorney, so that leaves reverse osmosis as the one thing I’m against.

It’s a mythology that reverse osmosis creates the best water, one that’s been sold to the public. Reverse osmosis is a forceful, man-made separating technology that pounds water so forcefully at a membrane that it causes the water to separate into two streams. There’s the whole waste issue with one of those streams, but then there’s also the issue of the water being harshly purified and dehydrating.

If I take a cup of reverse osmosis water and start drinking it, I feel that chalky sensation inside my cheeks; It’s not healthy water. If you think it’s healthy for you, I ask you to please do a test first: take some seeds, put them in the dirt, give some of them tap water and some of them RO water, and watch what happens. If you still want to buy RO after seeing that, then you must have highly contaminated water.

I used to think there was a case for RO if you had nasty, toxic water—maybe you live down the road from an industrial plant or in an agricultural area, and there’s high toxicity in your community. I could see RO as the lesser of evils because it does a superior job with purity. But now that I understand distillation as a steaming process that’s natural to the hydrological cycle—water goes through evaporation constantly—I can wholeheartedly say, if you’re choosing between distilled and RO, go with distilled; Please don’t get the RO.

[01:39:34] Understanding Water Solutions: Filters, Structuring, and the Importance of Energy

Ryan Sternagel: I think there are a bunch of these things, but that’s what Patrick was referring to earlier—the CEO of the wand company who admitted it’s not even doing what it’s supposed to. I can’t remember the name, but it’s a wand you stir around in a glass to “restructure” it.

Patrick Durkin: It’s a dilemma. They do have some information backing their product, and a lot of doctors have gotten behind it. There’s a big groundswell of excitement for it. I’ve always been a “no” on it, so I didn’t want to learn about it. This month, though, I wanted to learn about it. An interview came across my desk, and I was interested in the interviewer; he was going to interview us on the Cosmic Tower. I thought, why not listen to his interview on this? It’s not that it doesn’t do anything, or that it’s a bad product, it’s just that my mission has coalesced around giving people access to life force energy so they can feed and build themselves up.

The measure of that in this industry is H3O2, and they don’t have that test. I know that’s very specific, but I want to be accurate with people.

Ryan, I know a lot of the questions focus on filters, and it makes sense. If you’d answered my phone for the last 10 years like I have, you’d realize what’s on people’s minds. We’re culturally conditioned to fear toxins in water. If we’ve reached a point where that concern has entered our lives, we don’t want tap water anymore, and we’re trying to take what’s in our homes and make it good. So we spend all this energy debating which filter to get, but that’s culturally driven—it’s from the billion-dollar water industry, which got you to fear the water and think you’re getting a solution.

The important thing to recognize is that you can make your best choice in filters—whatever that choice is—but even the best filter, even RO, which is phenomenal for purity, still leaves the energetic signature of the toxins in the water; It’s the principle of homeopathy. You can remove a physical substance from water, but the energy of it is still there. Whatever choice you make on the filter, that’s fine. Get a filter if you want to; choose one that suits you personally—I think that’s great. But remember, until you add the structuring component of harmony to a degree that exceeds the negative influences in your life, you haven’t got a complete water solution.

That’s why I encourage people to answer three questions: What’s structuring? Do I filter (which is optional)? And what about minerals? These questions are natural, Ryan, because it’s where people’s consciousness is. I understand; I was there, too. Choosing between filters doesn’t solve the problem, but it addresses one of the three questions that matter.

[01:42:58] Enhancing RO Water: Testing Structuring and Personalized Solutions

Ryan Sternagel: A logical follow-up: “I recently bought an RO because they were putting fluoride in the water (that’s tough) Is it okay to drink if I put it through a water structure? What if we run the RO water through the Aqua Energizer?”

Patrick Durkin: Better to run it through the Aqua Energizer than not at all. I would invite you to do three days on, three days off. What that looks like is you do your tap water through an Aqua Energizer, and you do the RO through an Aqua Energizer, and you let your body show you through repetition. If you’re in a part of the country where your water stinks—and that used to be, in my opinion, isolated to places like Las Vegas, Florida, or a bit up in Wisconsin, but now I think it’s spreading. The number of places where the water is unpalatable is growing.

You might try investing in a water pitcher and do the three days on, three days off as a comparison. As much as you don’t want redundant technology, if you’ve invested in RO, it’s even more important to have the right water solution for you. Try it out; borrow a water pitcher from a neighbor. Give your body the opportunity to show you what the best answer is for you. If that ends up being RO through an Aqua Energizer, yes, of course, that’s better—to turn RO into H3O2 rather than not.

Ryan Sternagel: The Water Smacker?

Patrick Durkin: Heard of it, but can’t speak fluently on it. I’d need a reminder to pull up the website again.

Ryan Sternagel: I’ve seen it here and there. It looks like it’s plastic, for one thing—there’s that.

Patrick Durkin: Doesn’t sound like a harmony creator, Ryan. I don’t know; I respect my water.

[01:45:07] Hydrogen Water, Structured Solutions, and a Heartfelt Conclusion

Ryan Sternagel: Might as well round it out with— “What are your thoughts on hydrogen water, Patrick?”

Patrick Durkin: Hydrogen water is an interesting one. I have some friends who are energy-sensitive and love it. I’ve gone to their homes and immersed myself in hydrogen water, and I don’t like it—it doesn’t do anything for me. It feels like a flat experience.

My opinion, which isn’t right or wrong, is that it’s another one of those man-made waters that, when given back to nature, would revert to a form of structured water. I’m not in favor of it, though I think there are people who get short-term medical benefits from it. There are others I respect who like it, so I’m not closed to it, but it hasn’t illuminated me. I don’t have enough people reporting beneficial experiences with it to think it’s something I want to be talking about or leading people toward.

Ryan Sternagel: I should introduce you—it’s not hydrogen water; it’s hydrogen, but it’s Brown’s gas. I’m sure you’ve probably heard of the difference. If you haven’t already met and talked to George Wiseman, I’m sure you guys would have an interesting conversation. He talks the structuring language, and he’s a cool guy.

Patrick Durkin: Awesome.

Ryan Sternagel: I think that’s it. This was a good one, as I knew it would be, Patrick. If you’re not already structuring your water, you probably should. We’ll leave it at that. Check out the Cosmic Tower; you can look at the Cosmic Tower information on the Wellness Enterprise website. We’ll send out the replay. You can call them—they love you, and they’ll talk to you, which is also what I love about you guys, Patrick; Not some faceless, nameless, soulless corporation selling questionable water filters, but a company that loves you. We’ll leave it there. Patrick, thank you so much for your time.

Patrick Durkin: Thanks for having me. It’s great to be with you again.

Ryan Sternagel: Good job tuning in, everybody. Have a good night, day, weekend. We’ll see you on the next one. Bye, everybody.